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There is a thread with the information on Metabunk on the breakdown of AE membership.
What leading “discovery” have they produced that isn’t based on pseudoscience or innuendo that stood the test of time?
Facts in absence of WTC7 girder shear studs and Free fall or non-access to data analysis?
SUMMARY OF EARLY WTC7 MOVEMENT
sharpprintinginc.com...
As was shown in section 2.5, features of the initial failure sequence can be understood as a rapid succession of 7 identifiable events occurring in the following order:
1) Movement Detected from 2 Minutes before Collapse
2) Increase of rocking 6 seconds before visible collapse
3) Ejections and overpressurizations
4) Collapse of the East Penthouse
5) Collective core failure
6) Perimeter response
7) Acceleration downward
Shear studs? How does that stop failures from thermal stress and expansion? Do buildings just need shear studs and not fire insulation for the steel? How many millions could be saved doing away with fire insulation!
WTC5 jadijadija...
You know WTC 7 facade accelerated faster than what is explains by gravity? Is that false? How do you explain the acceleration if the interior of WTC 7 did not collapse before the facade?
Access to data? Did NIST have access to drawings and video for their modeling that Hulsey did not have access to? Your angry because you don’t have access from data from the modeling of a software program that is now over 10 years old? What original program are you still using unchanged from 10 years ago? When the collapse of the actual building is on video accessible to the public?
The absence of shear studs in the NIST analysis
Your link goes into this, read on. (not a spring system btw)
My workputer is still on Windows 7, reason being none of the 10+ year sofware fuction on the newer ones.
5.5.4 Sequence of WTC 7 Collapse
Approximately 7 hours after fires initiated in WTC 7, the building collapsed. The start of a timed collapse sequence was based on 17:20:33, the time registered by seismic recordings described in Table 1.1 (in Chapter 1). The time difference between each of the figures was approximated from time given on the videotape. Figures 5-20 to 5-25 illustrate the observed sequence of events related to the collapse.
~5:20:33 p.m. WTC 7 begins to collapse. Note the two mechanical penthouses at the roof on the east and west sides in Figure 5-20.
~5:21:03 p.m. Approximately 30 seconds later, Figure 5-21 shows the east mechanical penthouse disappearing into the building. It takes a few seconds for the east penthouse to “disappear” completely.
~5:21:08 p.m. Approximately 5 seconds later, the west mechanical penthouse disappears (Figure 5-22) or sinks into WTC 7.
~5:21:09 p.m. Approximately 1 or 2 seconds after the west penthouse sinks into WTC 7, the whole building starts to collapse. A north-south “kink” or fault line develops along the eastern side as the building begins to come down at what appears to be the location of the collapse initiation (see Figures 5-23 and 5-24).
~5:21:10 p.m. WTC 7 collapses completely after burning for approximately 7 hours (Figure 5-25). The collapse appeared to initiate at the lower floors, allowing the upper portion of the structure to fall.
www.fema.gov...
Then quote where the source is more supportive of your stance.
WTC5...
The absence of shear studs in the NIST analysis
Your link goes into this, read on. (not a spring system btw)
My workputer is still on Windows 7, reason being none of the 10+ year sofware fuction on the newer ones.
5.5.4 Sequence of WTC 7 Collapse
Approximately 7 hours after fires initiated in WTC 7, the building collapsed. The start of a timed collapse sequence was based on 17:20:33, the time registered by seismic recordings described in Table 1.1 (in Chapter 1). The time difference between each of the figures was approximated from time given on the videotape. Figures 5-20 to 5-25 illustrate the observed sequence of events related to the collapse.
~5:20:33 p.m. WTC 7 begins to collapse. Note the two mechanical penthouses at the roof on the east and west sides in Figure 5-20.
~5:21:03 p.m. Approximately 30 seconds later, Figure 5-21 shows the east mechanical penthouse disappearing into the building. It takes a few seconds for the east penthouse to “disappear” completely.
~5:21:08 p.m. Approximately 5 seconds later, the west mechanical penthouse disappears (Figure 5-22) or sinks into WTC 7.
~5:21:09 p.m. Approximately 1 or 2 seconds after the west penthouse sinks into WTC 7, the whole building starts to collapse. A north-south “kink” or fault line develops along the eastern side as the building begins to come down at what appears to be the location of the collapse initiation (see Figures 5-23 and 5-24).
~5:21:10 p.m. WTC 7 collapses completely after burning for approximately 7 hours (Figure 5-25). The collapse appeared to initiate at the lower floors, allowing the upper portion of the structure to fall.
www.fema.gov...
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: democracydemo
There is a thread with the information on Metabunk on the breakdown of AE membership.
You
You announcing all as pseudoscience and innuendo leads me to ask; where was this judment made? Depths of Metabunk.org or other anonymous forums?
AE911 with the 3200 Architects and Engineers signed are known-not anonymous. Is this false?
So? You cited 320O with no cited source, with no understanding of its actual composition or what it is actually comprised of? While ignoring the AIA has found no credible evidence from Architects and Engineers to reopen a WTC investigation? I think Richard Gage / AE has tried to get AIA delegates to reopen the WTC investigation on several AIA conferences, and has been voted down every time.
Oh look. A little research to our things in perspective.
Resolution 17-5: Investigation of the Total Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, sponsored by Daniel Barnum, FAIA, and 50 Members of the Institute, failed with 4113 votes against and 182 votes in favor (with 179 abstentions). The resolution’s sponsors questioned the conclusions offered by the National Institute of Standards and Technology in 2008 about the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7. They argued that the Institute should support “a new investigation into the total collapse of WTC7.”
www.aia.org...
Now....
This was the question.
Architects and Engineers are the leading “truth” group? Is that false? What leading “discovery” have they produced that isn’t based on pseudoscience or innuendo that stood the test of time?
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: democracydemo
By the way. The AIA has 94,000 members.
www.aia.org...
Vs your cite 3200? With you having no understanding what professions make up your cited 3200?
originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: Salander
Beyond maybe in my mind. In the video Lynn Spencer says
high ranking FAA officials and airport managers told her that during a search of United flight 23, box cutters and Al-Qaeda documents were found in unclaimed bags.
This changes everything. The fact the FBI nor 911 Commission report would not touch the matter does not rule out there are official records to be found.
Don't know whether FBI 9/11 Review Commission Lawsuit sheds light on it or not. If not, a more targeted lawsuit might.
originally posted by: Hulseyreport
neutronflux Can you read the second slide? They confirm melting.
Thats why the elementary sulfur is crucial for this theory to work.
You show how 500c heat caused the steel to melt outside the building?
Stop repeating things I have previously answered.
Harrit chips were analyzed in inert atmosphere.
originally posted by: Hulseyreport
For me this evidence of cut steel by nanothermite.
Same steel piece- and exposed to high heat.
Basille were independent scentists who contacted Steve Jones for samples to test. They confirmed the chips had thermitic properties.
Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?
We skipped August.
66 months now.
www.internationalskeptics.com...
They did three investigations to confirm Aluminum was present. A DSC test, a XED test and MEK test all three confirmed elemental AI and Iron oxide.
MEK test
By Oystein
The results ranged from 1.5 to 7.5 kiloJoules per gram, a wide spread that makes "high-tech nano-stuff" an unlikely explanation. More importantly, 2 of the sample released more than 4kJ/g of energy, which is the maximum energy thermite could possibly release due to the basic laws of this universe.
www.internationalskeptics.com...
originally posted by: Hulseyreport
neutronflux There no melted steel really?
Quote from the FEMA study, read, instead of posting false opinions
Liquid Iron= Melted steel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
originally posted by: neutronflux
originally posted by: Hulseyreport
neutronflux There no melted steel really?
Quote from the FEMA study, read, instead of posting false opinions
Liquid Iron= Melted steel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really, you might want to actual quote what it says with context. Not post a butchered screenshot.
And quote where the temperatures at WTC 7 were hot enough to melt structural steel? Didn’t you say yourself the fires at WTC 7 were never hotter than 1000C? So how would structural steel melt? Structural steel melting? No. The corrosion products from chemical attacks with lower melting points melting? Yes.
Your confusing chemical wasting with melting.
Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel. This sulfur-rich liquid penetrated preferentially down grain boundaries of the steel, severely weakening the beam and making it susceptible to erosion. The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel.
When steel cools below the eutectic temperature, the liquid of eutectic composition transforms to two phases, iron oxide, FeO, and iron sulfide, FeS. The product of this eutectic reaction is a characteristic geometrical arrangement that is unique and is readily visible even in the unetched microstructure of the steel. Figures C-4 and C-5 present typical near-surface regions showing the microstructural changes that occur due to this corrosion attack.
www.fema.gov...
A eutectic system (/juːˈtɛktɪk/ yoo-TEK-tik)[1] from the Greek "εύ" (eu = well) and "τήξις" (tēxis = melting) is a homogeneous mixture of substances that melts or solidifies at a single temperature that is lower than the melting point of either of the constituents.[2]
The eutectic temperature is the lowest possible melting temperature over all of the mixing ratios for the involved component species.
en.m.wikipedia.org...
With no sulfur, the melting could not have started.
FEMA never did a recorded test to show the sulfur would drop the temp required from 1500c to 1000c!
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Hulseyreport
Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel. This sulfur-rich liquid penetrated preferentially down grain boundaries of the steel, severely weakening the beam and making it susceptible to erosion. The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel.
When steel cools below the eutectic temperature, the liquid of eutectic composition transforms to two phases, iron oxide, FeO, and iron sulfide, FeS. The product of this eutectic reaction is a characteristic geometrical arrangement that is unique and is readily visible even in the unetched microstructure of the steel. Figures C-4 and C-5 present typical near-surface regions showing the microstructural changes that occur due to this corrosion attack.
www.fema.gov...
FEMA is not saying structural steel melted. Chemicals that created a eutectic mixture melted.
A eutectic system (/juːˈtɛktɪk/ yoo-TEK-tik)[1] from the Greek "εύ" (eu = well) and "τήξις" (tēxis = melting) is a homogeneous mixture of substances that melts or solidifies at a single temperature that is lower than the melting point of either of the constituents.[2]
The eutectic temperature is the lowest possible melting temperature over all of the mixing ratios for the involved component species.
en.m.wikipedia.org...
You invoked “ Limited Metallurgical Examination”
Now quote from it where temperatures reached 1,130 °C (2,070 °F) to melt structural steel? Quote where it states actual structural steel melted, not a “ eutectic mixture “.