Opposition cardinals go on with declaration of "truths" against pope Francis

VATICAN CITY — Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider are among a small group of cardinals and bishops to sign a “declaration of truths” reaffirming key Church teachings at a time they describe as “almost universal doctrinal confusion and disorientation.”

The Church, they go on to say, is experiencing “one of her greatest spiritual epidemics” that comprises “an almost universal doctrinal confusion and disorientation.”


This represents “a seriously contagious danger for spiritual health and eternal salvation for many souls,” they continue, adding that there is a “widespread lethargy in the exercise of the Magisterium on different levels of the Church’s hierarchy.”

As well as Cardinal Burke, who is the patron of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and Auxiliary Bishop Schneider of Astana, Kazakhstan, the declaration has also been signed by Cardinal Janis Pujats, archbishop emeritus of Riga, Latvia, and Kazakh Archbishops Tomash Peta of Astana and Jan Pawel Lenga, emeritus of Karaganda, Kazakhstan.

The signatories remind each bishop, priest and layperson that they have “the moral duty to give witness unambiguously to those truths that in our days are obfuscated, undermined, and denied.” www.ncregister.com...

This is an open coup in the Catholic Church, after previous similar declarations and letters fell on deaf ears. Simply because pope Francis doesn't want to excommunicate them yet. Last time he laughed at a similar letter.

I am asking, at which expense is that "mercy" towards those who openly reject any innovative reform in the Church? At the expense of a million or so ultra conservative catholics who are already deluded and in fact seceded, who educate their children in 15th century rules... The waiting may increase that number even further. Because, frankly, no one wants to go to hell, and those prelates use exactly that tool to scare to death the poor common catholics.

I appeal to the pope to proceed what the canon law says. And it is, such explicit public statements against the Catholic Church bear with them automatic excommunication latae sententiae.

It's a BUSINESS, a plain old business

perhaps they are just waiting for him to change his stance on Abortion, once he completes his journey to the left.
Id' say it's only a matter of time.

Here is the eight-page declaration.

www.ncregister.com...

One step forward, two steps back.

Two steps forward for Pope Francis.

Catholics, Muslims and all who believe in God must work together to build a culture of love, peace and human fraternity, Pope Francis said in a joint statement he signed with Ahmed el-Tayeb, Grand Imam of al-Azhar, during an interreligious meeting in Abu Dhabi. The document, entitled “A Document on Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together,” invited “all persons who have faith in God and faith in human fraternity to unite and work together so that it may serve as a guide for future generations to advance a culture of mutual respect in the awareness of the great divine grace that makes all human beings brothers and sisters.”

catholicherald.co.uk...

a reply to: 2012newstart

LOL...Don't those Cardinals know, the Bible is a living breathing book, and the Pope is Jesus Christ's representative on Earth. The Pope, AKA "Jesus for here and now" is NEVER wrong! He's infallible for Christ's sake!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: 2012newstart

LOL...Don't those Cardinals know, the Bible is a living breathing book, and the Pope is Jesus Christ's representative on Earth. The Pope, AKA "Jesus for here and now" is NEVER wrong! He's infallible for Christ's sake!

What? The Pope is the supposed apostolic successor to Saint Peter, who was very much a man.

Another swing and miss Sookie.

originally posted by: InTheLight
Here is the eight-page declaration.

www.ncregister.com...

One step forward, two steps back.

Two steps forward for Pope Francis.

Catholics, Muslims and all who believe in God must work together to build a culture of love, peace and human fraternity, Pope Francis said in a joint statement he signed with Ahmed el-Tayeb, Grand Imam of al-Azhar, during an interreligious meeting in Abu Dhabi. The document, entitled “A Document on Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together,” invited “all persons who have faith in God and faith in human fraternity to unite and work together so that it may serve as a guide for future generations to advance a culture of mutual respect in the awareness of the great divine grace that makes all human beings brothers and sisters.”

catholicherald.co.uk...

I support the pope's stance on interreligious dialogue that will bring more understanding and ultimately peace. We do not need more crusades and more inquisition. St Francis of Assisi would have supported it too.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

you do not get it. We do not speak here of one fanatical pope who wants to burn books. We are speaking of fanatical Cardinals who want to burn books and ultimately to remove the reformist Francis.

Of course, as every living man, he is a human and he has errors, both personal and in his public activities. And he doesn't even hide it.
I criticized a lot pope Francis in this forum. However, now I understand, that if he is not supported by all people of good will, not necessarily only catholics, he will fail. The opposition from inside is too strong.

Well, I do not want my kids to be educated on Sunday schools by 15th century books of what is a sin and what they must do so not to go to hell. Those books brought hell on earth. And let me say also, Jesus never wrote those medieval books, never endorsed anything even remotely similar to them.

It is not about me, not even about the 120 cardinals or the 5,000 bishops. It is about the next generation now kids, and how the religion will proceed from now on. From first hand experience I know how the fanatical radicals who are still formally inside the Catholic Church want to act. How they educate their children to say a prayer under threat of penalty. They are not better than Islamist extremists, with the only difference they do not blow themselves up. Their bombs are spiritual, but very real and painful. They believe they are the only right ones. Surely more right than the pope, be he successor, antipope or antichrist, as they usually call him.

I myself experienced what it means to be at the mercy of such people. Their mercy is the sacrifice. Not sacrifice of themselves, but of the others. If they have lived several centuries ago, those same people would cheer at the autodafes and sing psalms while books and people were burning...

Perhaps soon we will have an open Schism. Either those cardinals will be excommunicated, something they deserved many times over, or they will walk away voluntarily. Let say the pope approves something they will never accept. Such as women deacons, gay relationships even if not called marriage, more ties with moderate islam and other religions, or baptizing Aliens.

How many times Jesus preached hatred? Never! Jesus came to save, not to condemn to hell, as those fanatics apparently love to do. Jesus spoke of Love instead....

Hosea 6:6,For I desire mercy, not sacrifice,
Matthew 9:13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: 2012newstart

LOL...Don't those Cardinals know, the Bible is a living breathing book, and the Pope is Jesus Christ's representative on Earth. The Pope, AKA "Jesus for here and now" is NEVER wrong! He's infallible for Christ's sake!

What? The Pope is the supposed apostolic successor to Saint Peter, who was very much a man.

Another swing and miss Sookie.

Yes but it is said in the Bible to the future church leader, "what you dictate on earth shall be ao in heaven and what you loose on earth loosed in heaven." Or we will not hold the people responsible if you misinterpret but instead will honor the rules you givr and any you strike from the list.

a reply to: 2012newstart

If hell exists, i think we know who's going there, and it's not the poor common Catholics, but there masters.

a reply to: 2012newstart

www.uscatholic.org...

“In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.”

Let's just say this prophecy looks more plausible with every highly fallible word that blunders out of Francis' mouth on a daily basis.

originally posted by: 2012newstart

originally posted by: InTheLight
Here is the eight-page declaration.

www.ncregister.com...

One step forward, two steps back.

Two steps forward for Pope Francis.

Catholics, Muslims and all who believe in God must work together to build a culture of love, peace and human fraternity, Pope Francis said in a joint statement he signed with Ahmed el-Tayeb, Grand Imam of al-Azhar, during an interreligious meeting in Abu Dhabi. The document, entitled “A Document on Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together,” invited “all persons who have faith in God and faith in human fraternity to unite and work together so that it may serve as a guide for future generations to advance a culture of mutual respect in the awareness of the great divine grace that makes all human beings brothers and sisters.”

catholicherald.co.uk...

I support the pope's stance on interreligious dialogue that will bring more understanding and ultimately peace. We do not need more crusades and more inquisition. St Francis of Assisi would have supported it too.

Saint Francis of Assisi and Pope Francis have very similar beliefs.

It has been argued that no one else in history was as dedicated as Francis to imitate the life, and carry out the work of Christ, in Christ's own way. This is important in understanding Francis' character and his affinity for the Eucharist and respect for the priests who carried out the sacrament.[3] He and his followers celebrated and even venerated poverty. Poverty was so central to his character that in his last written work, the Testament, he said that absolute personal and corporate poverty was the essential lifestyle for the members of his Order.[3]

He believed that nature itself was the mirror of God. He called all creatures his "brothers" and "sisters", and even preached to the birds[39][40] and supposedly persuaded a wolf to stop attacking some locals if they agreed to feed the wolf. In his Canticle of the Creatures ("Praises of Creatures" or "Canticle of the Sun"), he mentioned the "Brother Sun" and "Sister Moon", the wind and water. His deep sense of brotherhood under God embraced others, and he declared that "he considered himself no friend of Christ if he did not cherish those for whom Christ died".[3]

Wikipedia

originally posted by: InTheLight

Saint Francis of Assisi and Pope Francis have very similar beliefs.

Saint Francis didn't make these grand calls for self inflicted poverty and simplicity while personally sitting atop the single largest privately held amassing of gold, antiquities, art, and wealth in the world. Pope Francis is a fraud.

I find it astonishing for any catholic to try and be the voice of morality....with all the crimes and coverups concerning pedophilia.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: InTheLight

Saint Francis of Assisi and Pope Francis have very similar beliefs.

Saint Francis didn't make these grand calls for self inflicted poverty and simplicity while personally sitting atop the single largest privately held amassing of gold, antiquities, art, and wealth in the world. Pope Francis is a fraud.

Francis of Assisi was born a wealthy young man and used his wealth to help the poor before his choosing a path of spirituality. They did indeed have very similar beliefs. While Pope Francis is away looking to make peace, what are the cardinals and others there doing - writing declarations to take us back to the dark ages and secure themselves in their golden castle.

The Domus Sanctae Marthae (Latin for Saint Martha's House; Italian: Casa Santa Marta) is a building adjacent to St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City. Completed in 1996, during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, it is named after Martha of Bethany, who was a sibling to Mary and Lazarus of Bethany. The building functions as a guest house for clergy having business with the Holy See, and as the hotel residence of the members of the College of Cardinals when they are participating in a papal conclave to elect a new Pope.

Pope Francis has lived in a penthouse suite in the building since his election in March 2013, declining to use the Papal Apartments in the Apostolic Palace.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Another swing and miss Sookie.

More shallow ignorance!

The Pope is the supposed apostolic successor to Saint Peter, who was very much a man.

Peter was the 1st Pope, The first Vicar of Christ.

According to Catholic doctrine, the Pope is the Vicar of Christ...the body through which Jesus Christ lives vicariously.

Vicar of Christ
(Latin Vicarius Christi).
A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ. It is founded on the words of the Divine Shepherd to St. Peter: "Feed my lambs. . . . Feed my sheep" (John 21:16-17), by which He constituted the Prince of the Apostles guardian of His entire flock in His own place, thus making him His Vicar and fulfilling the promise made in Matthew 16:18-19.

In the course of the ages other vicarial designations have been used for the pope, as Vicar of St. Peter and even Vicar of the Apostolic See (Pope Gelasius, I, Ep. vi), but the title Vicar of Christ is more expressive of his supreme headship of the Church on earth, which he bears in virtue of the commission of Christ and with vicarial power derived from Him. Thus, Innocent III appeals for his power to remove bishops to the fact that he is Vicar of Christ (cap. "Inter corporalia", 2, "De trans. ep."). He also declares that Christ has given such power only to His Vicar Peter and his successors (cap. "Quanto", 3, ibid.), and states that it is the Roman Pontiff who is "the successor of Peter and the Vicar of Jesus Christ

www.newadvent.org...

The Pope is infallible.

Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."[1] Infallibility is, according to the New Catholic Encyclopedia, "more than a simple, de facto absence of error. It is a positive perfection, ruling out the possibility of error"

en.wikipedia.org...

The "innovative reform" is people wanting the Church to change God's laws to suit their own sins. This current Pope is an appeaser to everyone. He apparently doesn't understand that weakening the Church to make non-believers happy will not change their minds, and will, in fact, anger the faithful that he should be concerned about.

a reply to: 2012newstart

What happened to the Pope spoke with the voice of God on matters of doctrine?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

We agree on something.

originally posted by: danbuter
The "innovative reform" is people wanting the Church to change God's laws to suit their own sins. This current Pope is an appeaser to everyone. He apparently doesn't understand that weakening the Church to make non-believers happy will not change their minds, and will, in fact, anger the faithful that he should be concerned about.

According to the Doctrine of Dominion, that heralds from the 1400s and is still in effect, the Pope has dominion over all non-Christians too, and speaks on their behalf to God. At least he's not killing, enslaving, separating families and stealing children, like other Popes have done, under the auspice of papal supremacy and authority over all nations, Christian and non-Christian.