YouTube Just Demonetized Secureteam10 For Misleading BS

a reply to: shawmanfromny

It's not borderline censorship, it is censorship.

The fascists have arrived in the form of silicon valley tech companies.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

I am pretty sure the same thing was done to UFOTV. Its fine, YouTube will end up chasing off all their content and as a result use of the site is gonna plummet. As nature abhors a vacuum, I am sure its only a matter of time before a new competitor site arises that will gladly take all the video that youtube wants to ban, and the people who watch them will also flee. Be careful what you wish for.

a reply to: CthulhuMythos

No it is not borderline censorship, it is absolute censorship.

WOW

ATS is now about promoting ignorance.

What exactly is being censored be it borderline or complete as you say?

Nothing,

demonetizing his channel is in no way censorship, because nothing is being censored by demonetizing a YouTube channel.


all the videos are still there, its just he wont be making money from his click bait titles anymore.

a reply to: Jay-morris

When a lot of companies like youtube being told to clamp down on fake news, then it is censership. Does not matter if they are a private company or not.

exactly,

what matter is what this thread is about,

and what many are claiming in this thread,

Demonetizing is censorship

yet no videos were censored, removed or banned from the channel by YouTube

I keep trying to wrap my head around that stupidity yet I cannot

if nothing was censored, then how is it censorship?

Facebook has also cracked under this pressure banning a lot of pages and people from facebook. So you can shout private company all you like, still does not change the fact that this is censership.

Yes that can be claimed as being censored when pages, videos or images are banned and removed.

But this thread is not about that. Nothing was banned or removed, hence no censorship.

The only reason YouTube backed off is because of the money they could loose, having 2 million subscribers to secureteam10 being pissed off at YouTube policies could make YouTube loose some money so they reverted to letting Tyler make a living posting on YouTube.

So you think that facebook are just censoring graphic pictures of self harm and suicide? Seriously? So people like Alex Jones, Tony Robinson were banned because of this? Simple fact is, they are coming down hard on free speech, non mainstream media. Even David Icke was banned from entering Austrailia to do a speech. Love them or hate them, do you think that is right? Where will it stop? Maybe this very forum, and forums like it will get shut down because there are threads that involve anti government, hate, fake news, conspiracies etc Can you not seriously see the problem here?

yes

but none of this has anything to do with what this thread is about.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

all the videos are still there, its just he wont be making money from his click bait titles anymore.

He does not even use click bait titles.

a reply to: Jay-morris

He does not even use click bait titles.

You are free to your opinion

as are those that think he does.


So you quote me saying there is no censorship, yet you don't answer the question I posed to you directly when I replied to you not another poster that you quoted the above from.

if nothing was censored, then how is it censorship?

Remember this is about Secureteam10 being demonetized not about anything else you mentioned about Facebook removing pages or what not because I agreed that would be censorship.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: uncommitted

As of today, his channel was remonetized by Youtube.

Hundreds of thousands of people slammed YouTube for their action.

Pays to be united.

If you like, but it's not censorship if it's a private company, they are allowed to make such decisions.

When a lot of companies like youtube being told to clamp down on fake news, then it is censership. Does not matter if they are a private company or not.

Facebook has also cracked under this pressure banning a lot of pages and people from facebook. So you can shout private company all you like, still does not change the fact that this is censership.

Right, it's censorship, just so you know.

And no, not really, Facebook and other sites have been told that they aren't immune from facing charges if they allow posts to break actual laws..... as in showing graphic pictures of self harm and suicide. That is so not the case here, so why are you trying to draw a parallel?

So you think that facebook are just censoring graphic pictures of self harm and suicide? Seriously? So people like Alex Jones, Tony Robinson were banned because of this? Simple fact is, they are coming down hard on free speech, non mainstream media. Even David Icke was banned from entering Austrailia to do a speech.

Love them or hate them, do you think that is right?

Where will it stop? Maybe this very gorum, and forums like it will get shut down because there are threads that involve anti government, hate, fake news, conspiracies etc

Can you not seriously see the problem here?

You mean Tommy Robinson don't you? Not aware of a Tony Robinson causing this. or are you thinking of the actor who played Baldrick? Blocking of Tommy Robinson AKA Saxley-Lennon is because (I believe) of extreme far right views and inciting hatred and violence. You got an issue with that? If so, take that up with the T's and C's of Facebook which ban it.

Free society, Facebook and other social media outlets don't have to host the views of fakers or scum or anyone else. We laugh when some say the UK is socialist, it's not, media outlets have every right to control whose views are represented on their channels, although some don't seem to give too much thought to it.

It's called free speech!

You just do not get it do you! So basically, what you are saying is its fine, as long as it involves people you do not like. Like i said, which you blatantly ignored, it's all about free speech, but not just that, alternative media will be effected by this too. These "private companies" have had a lot of pressure from the top to clamp down on fake news, media, anything that goes against the normal.

Let me ask you again, and please answer this time. What if ATS was shut down because it is full of threads that include conspiracies, alternative media, anti government etc

You think that would be ok?

Sheesh, grow up, read what I write and then respond.

ATS has T's and C's. Even in these weird times, if you don't stick to them then your post will be removed and you can be banned, either for a short period of time or completely (under your current name). They are not under any obligation to find themselves in court because of your comments or anyone else's.

Youtube is the same.

Now, grow up

Seriously! You do not have a clue what you are talking about! Already governments have proposed measures to regulate social media companies over harmful content, including "substantial" fines and the ability to block services that do not stick to the rules. And yes, this includes fake news.

This is just the begining. You think sites like this that spread fake news, conspiracies, hate speech in some cases, anti government, and all sorts of other stuff will not be effected by this clamp down?

If you think not, then you are ignorant.

What a government decides to do is something for which you can hold them into account if they violate whichever code of practice they have been put in office to uphold. A company such as youtube (or ATS) can set its own rules. Don't like them? Don't use them - finding it hard to think you don't really appreciate the difference.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Jay-morris

He does not even use click bait titles.

You are free to your opinion

as are those that think he does.


So you quote me saying there is no censorship, yet you don't answer the question I posed to you directly when I replied to you not another poster that you quoted the above from.

if nothing was censored, then how is it censorship?

Remember this is about Secureteam10 being demonetized not about anything else you mentioned about Facebook removing pages or what not because I agreed that would be censorship.

Having had youtube channels myself, I know he does not click bait.

It's not censorship, but it's a good why to get people to quit their channel if it's a full time job. My argument is we are seeing more channels banned, people band, be it youtube, Facebook and Twitter for what they label as fake news. Like i sad, this is just the start of a bigger thing, and it would not suprise me if channels like this will be banned in the future. Would not suprise me with the regulations governments are putting forward, that sites like this will be banned too.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: uncommitted

As of today, his channel was remonetized by Youtube.

Hundreds of thousands of people slammed YouTube for their action.

Pays to be united.

If you like, but it's not censorship if it's a private company, they are allowed to make such decisions.

When a lot of companies like youtube being told to clamp down on fake news, then it is censership. Does not matter if they are a private company or not.

Facebook has also cracked under this pressure banning a lot of pages and people from facebook. So you can shout private company all you like, still does not change the fact that this is censership.

Right, it's censorship, just so you know.

And no, not really, Facebook and other sites have been told that they aren't immune from facing charges if they allow posts to break actual laws..... as in showing graphic pictures of self harm and suicide. That is so not the case here, so why are you trying to draw a parallel?

So you think that facebook are just censoring graphic pictures of self harm and suicide? Seriously? So people like Alex Jones, Tony Robinson were banned because of this? Simple fact is, they are coming down hard on free speech, non mainstream media. Even David Icke was banned from entering Austrailia to do a speech.

Love them or hate them, do you think that is right?

Where will it stop? Maybe this very gorum, and forums like it will get shut down because there are threads that involve anti government, hate, fake news, conspiracies etc

Can you not seriously see the problem here?

You mean Tommy Robinson don't you? Not aware of a Tony Robinson causing this. or are you thinking of the actor who played Baldrick? Blocking of Tommy Robinson AKA Saxley-Lennon is because (I believe) of extreme far right views and inciting hatred and violence. You got an issue with that? If so, take that up with the T's and C's of Facebook which ban it.

Free society, Facebook and other social media outlets don't have to host the views of fakers or scum or anyone else. We laugh when some say the UK is socialist, it's not, media outlets have every right to control whose views are represented on their channels, although some don't seem to give too much thought to it.

It's called free speech!

You just do not get it do you! So basically, what you are saying is its fine, as long as it involves people you do not like. Like i said, which you blatantly ignored, it's all about free speech, but not just that, alternative media will be effected by this too. These "private companies" have had a lot of pressure from the top to clamp down on fake news, media, anything that goes against the normal.

Let me ask you again, and please answer this time. What if ATS was shut down because it is full of threads that include conspiracies, alternative media, anti government etc

You think that would be ok?

Sheesh, grow up, read what I write and then respond.

ATS has T's and C's. Even in these weird times, if you don't stick to them then your post will be removed and you can be banned, either for a short period of time or completely (under your current name). They are not under any obligation to find themselves in court because of your comments or anyone else's.

Youtube is the same.

Now, grow up

Seriously! You do not have a clue what you are talking about! Already governments have proposed measures to regulate social media companies over harmful content, including "substantial" fines and the ability to block services that do not stick to the rules. And yes, this includes fake news.

This is just the begining. You think sites like this that spread fake news, conspiracies, hate speech in some cases, anti government, and all sorts of other stuff will not be effected by this clamp down?

If you think not, then you are ignorant.

What a government decides to do is something for which you can hold them into account if they violate whichever code of practice they have been put in office to uphold. A company such as youtube (or ATS) can set its own rules. Don't like them? Don't use them - finding it hard to think you don't really appreciate the difference.

All of this banning we are seeing now, comes from pressure from an outside source. So, it does not matter if you are a private company, if they feel you should be banned or shut down, they can do it.

a reply to: Jay-morris

All of this banning we are seeing now, comes from pressure from an outside source.

I disagree, I think the majority of it comes from withing, either from competing channels, advertiser complaints, in some cases, trying to appear super duper progressive.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: Jay-morris

All of this banning we are seeing now, comes from pressure from an outside source.

I disagree, I think the majority of it comes from withing, either from competing channels, advertiser complaints, in some cases, trying to appear super duper progressive.

No because it's not just about youtube. We are seeing across social media. And We all know they want to clamp down on "fake news"

a reply to: Jay-morris

I still think all these organisations are trying to be hyper progressive, out progressiving each other.."look how good and proper we are"..jm2c

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: Jay-morris

I still think all these organisations are trying to be hyper progressive, out progressiving each other.."look how good and proper we are"..jm2c

I agree that is part of it.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Having had youtube channels myself, I know he does not click bait.

Your knowledge is just your opinion

others that read the way he title videos have the opinion it is click bait.

anyway that is not the point of this thread.

It's not censorship, but it's a good why to get people to quit their channel if it's a full time job.

Which if Tyler did would show that what he does is just to make money by sitting at home and surfing the net and making videos to upload and nothing to do with furthering the subject of Ufology.

My argument is we are seeing more channels banned, people band, be it youtube, Facebook and Twitter for what they label as fake news.

Then you are arguing a point that has nothing to do with what the OP asked about borderline censorship, shouldn't the same happen to similar channels and whether we readers agree with the quoted reddit post.


Yes to put a conspiracy spin on it you could argue its related, the poster Karl12 made a good post about how channels could be attacked like this to silence the more serious channels concerning Ufology.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Well the first mistake was relying on YouTube as a source of income.

When it comes to UFO videos-and I've watched hundreds of them-its fake.fake.fake.misidendification.fake.fake.plausable.
Fake. Fake.clearly a cloud.fake fake.plausible.fake.

I hate the fakers, they hurt the work of actual UFO researchers, but then again it's the idiots who actually believe the CGI is real that hurts the field as well.

They are hiding the fact they do not like like conservatives ,who YouTube thinks are all crazy in the head.We should not call them UFO,s anymore .if you know what happened.Call them Identified Flying Objects That the U.S. government refuses to acknowledge exist..Because you know it was not an air plane or helicopter therefore it has to be something else if you can Identify the so called UFO.....Playing word games with us and they think we are stupid...

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: shawmanfromny

It's not borderline censorship, it is censorship.

The fascists have arrived in the form of silicon valley tech companies.

You obviously don't know what censorship is if you think that is what a company did by demonitizing a channel.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Which if Tyler did would show that what he does is just to make money by sitting at home and surfing the net and making videos to upload and nothing to do with furthering the subject of Ufology. 

Er, a lot of the times, this is what successful You tubers do, and there is absolutly nothing wrong with that. He is talking about a subject people are interested in, and he does it full time.

Saying he is doing nothing to further the subject of ufos is quite rediculas because obviously he is. He does not just post videos people have sent him, he has videos talking about ufo cases old and new, interviews ufologists etc Anyone who does that, and gets more people into the subject is always good for ufology.

As for the ufos that people send him, these are the videos I do not even really watch, as anything can be faked now, but I watch his videos that include good information and interviews about the subject.

a reply to: opethPA

Oh sure I do. When they take a person who makes their livelihood on their platform and they demonetize them because they disagree with what they say, not because they actually violated terms of service. The purpose is to silence. That's censorship.

It's hilarious the ends some are willing to go to to defend censorship.
Youtube takes down video because they disagree with the political opinions > Not censorship
Youtube demonetizes channel because they disagree political opinions > Not censorship

Pray tell, what qualifies as censorship in your narrow view? Do they need to leave the videos up and put black bars and bleeps throughout it for it to qualify for censorship?

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: opethPA

Oh sure I do. When they take a person who makes their livelihood on their platform and they demonetize them because they disagree with what they say, not because they actually violated terms of service. The purpose is to silence. That's censorship.

It's hilarious the ends some are willing to go to to defend censorship.
Youtube takes down video because they disagree with the political opinions > Not censorship
Youtube demonetizes channel because they disagree political opinions > Not censorship

Pray tell, what qualifies as censorship in your narrow view? Do they need to leave the videos up and put black bars and bleeps throughout it for it to qualify for censorship?

Censorship would be the Govt telling me I can't watch the hoax videos that ST10 puts up or to a more stringent level taking the videos down which in turn determines what I have access to.

Censorship isn't a company preventing someone else from making money off those same hoax videos while it runs on that companies infrastructure, requires that companies support or leverages their business model.

It's cool though with my narrow view I don't have to worry any more about seeing the latest ST10 hoax video so that's a benefit.