Jackson was and is (most likely) innocent.

Cool story, bro. You ever wonder why he never had a girlfriend? (Besides Lisa Presley, which everyone knew was a sham)
And why would he need a sham marriage in the first place? And why were his kids test tube kids? He didn’t even want to have sex to make his children. And why was it always little boys in his bed, not girls?
If it was anyone else in the world, would you still defend him?
Michael was a pedo pre-op tranny. He wanted to be a white woman.
If he was the saint he tried to portray, he would have stopped having boys in his bedroom after the first $25,000,000 settlement. But he couldn’t stop. He needed sex with young boys.
If it was anyone else in the world it’s obvious like a slap in the face.

a reply to: andyr1112

This is so much more common than people led on

Yeah it is. Looking back through my life, it seems like somewhere around half the people I know experienced something like this, whether they were molested at age 5 by a family member or raped at age 16 by an older classmate, and I moved around and met a lot of different people, I wasnt just stuck in some small town.

It's a part of humanity we haven't really examined thoroughly. Just the topic of sex in general is already a little taboo. So how are we ever going to explore the complexities and gain a real, comprehensive understanding of it?

I had some experiences when I was a young child. Another boy I knew must have been molested or something. He taught me stuff and I taught it to my sisters. No adults or older kids were even involved in those 2 incidents, except my dad walking in on us and understandably freaking out. Its understandable because he didnt know any better. He didnt know he was connecting feelings of shame to our sexuality that would become a part of who we are as adults. He shouldve just more calmly explained it to us. I should probably explain that he has a deep voice that we Always found to be very scary when he was angry with us. So it isnt difficult for him to unintentionally go over the top.

The actual incidents, although I recognize that they were not what people are supposed to do (your not Supposed to do a lot of things), I feel like, the most damage, was done by society's, and my parents, REACTION to this sort of thing.

They made me feel like there was something severely wrong with me, when I was just a kid who didnt know any better. And it has effected me my entire life. Created a deep discomfort between my sisters and I which we are just now, in our 30s, starting to begin to talk about. Effected my relationships. And we were just kids messing around, we didnt even know what we were doing, just that it was a new feeling we discovered and we wanted to experience it and know more about it.

a reply to: Jdubious

Dang was he weird looking.
That nose is pointier than Pinocchio’s.
Those cheek bones look like they were carved in wood.
That vitiligo is abundant.

Poor Uncle Ruckus.
He cries himself to sleep every night wishing he was as blessed with the vitiligo as Michael was.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: Iconic

Screw the so called YouTube "experts" the guy was a creep.

But I don't blame him, that blame should be reserved for his father. He destroyed his own family for his own selfish need of wealth and fame.

Sure Michael wasn't a saint, but when you are raised by a monster... something was gonna give.

This kinda seems the most likely scenario to me. But at the end of the day, I don't know. I could see people wanting to ruin him, and I can also see him having that particular problem.

a reply to: andyr1112

EDIT: This was supposed to be a reply to another poster, not sure how it replied to this person

but protecting a child lover is not a smart idea.

well you shouldn't have edited what you initially posted because most parents are child lovers, most people love children.

What you reallyt shouldnt have posted is this

Straight from the horses mouth, having kids that aren't yours sleep in your bed with you is wrong Jacko the wacko was pedo. If you do not think so you are probably a pedophile yourself, this is unacceptable behavior you should not be condoning.

Really shows your simplistic mindset on many levels.

well done for exposing yourself while insinuating others have something sinister to hide because they have a differing opinion than you.

a reply to: toolgal462

Not exactly, either pedo or they just really like his music and can't look past that. It's a sick sad world where money and influence can protect pedos. If any other adult member of society tried that stuff with kids they would be locked up, don't be naive.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

You're right I won't call him child lover any more, I will use the proper term pedophile.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: crayzeed

Hey … I saw Michael Jackson once, IRL.

It was during a sale at J. C. Penney's … and boy's clothing was half off!!!

Hahah … oops! Sorry for the dark humor, but I could not resist this one....

Seriously, people knew MJ was a pedo way back when. It is like before Elton John came out people denied he was gay. Those people are probably the same ones blindly defending MJ.

This joke went around clear back around the late 80s early 90s:

What is the difference between MJ and a plastic grocery bag?

One is white, plastic, and shouldn't be left around small children. The other is a grocery sack.


People talk about credibility. The guy went to his grave claiming no plastic surgery. Hmm...who to believe.

originally posted by: Jdubious
a reply to: InhaleExhale

You're right I won't call him child lover any more, I will use the proper term pedophile.

Lucky I didn't post what I was going too and allowed you the time to add more and instead edited my other post.

But its nice you know who it was directed at

what I was going to say is your infatuation with pedophilia is whats most sicking in this thread.

But I guess its like many others that have sick thoughts and come to sites like this to condemn while having an addiction to the sick things and a need to fill their minds with more.

Not saying you are what you say others are that believe differently than you but your infatuation with something you condemn shows a disgusting side of humanity too many suffer from.

I hope you get better but doubt you will ever realize you are sick.

originally posted by: Jdubious
a reply to: toolgal462

Not exactly, either pedo or they just really like his music and can't look past that. It's a sick sad world where money and influence can protect pedos. If any other adult member of society tried that stuff with kids they would be locked up, don't be naive.

Exactly. If you are one of the people defending him, ask yourself this. If it was some rando and the same accusations were out there, would you be defending him. I bet not. Also, you might ask yourself why all rich hollywood types don't have these accusations. It's not about money. It's because he was a pedo.

a reply to: andyr1112

That's just not true. No bloody underwear was found. I think it is more than likely he did stuff, but there was zero evidence of it found.

a reply to: Halfswede

Yes, I would. Evidence is required.

Worst troll attempt ever, do you think it was o.k. that Jacko invited kids to sleep in his bed with him?

a reply to: Halfswede

Exactly. If you are one of the people defending him, ask yourself this. If it was some rando and the same accusations were out there, would you be defending him.

If some random person were accused and their trial was shown for all to see and read about and no evidence could be brought forth to convict then many would side with the findings a court of law shows.

Also, you might ask yourself why all rich hollywood types don't have these accusations.

Just of the top my head

Bryan Singer, director of movies like X men and what not has been accused many times.

Many have been and have been convicted, wasn't Kevin Spacey convicted?

Or are you more so thinking about younger children like what MJ was accused of?

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
Cool story, bro. You ever wonder why he never had a girlfriend? (Besides Lisa Presley, which everyone knew was a sham)
And why would he need a sham marriage in the first place? And why were his kids test tube kids? He didn’t even want to have sex to make his children. And why was it always little boys in his bed, not girls?
If it was anyone else in the world, would you still defend him?
Michael was a pedo pre-op tranny. He wanted to be a white woman.
If he was the saint he tried to portray, he would have stopped having boys in his bedroom after the first $25,000,000 settlement. But he couldn’t stop. He needed sex with young boys.
If it was anyone else in the world it’s obvious like a slap in the face.

Yes, he had plenty of girlfriends and aside from the few that people know about, he has ex employees and music people and security guards who have publicly stated that he brought some "very fine WOMEN" to the studio when he recorded. When MJ was married to Lisa Marie I remember the one and only, Donald Trump being asked about them, as they had stayed at his hotel and he was friends with them. I distinctly remember that he stated that the two were clearly "into one another" and displayed heterosexual behavior, ie....making out, showing signs of being intimate together. This was long before he was President so no need to hate on him either (the Russians didn't make him say that).

Brooke Shields was also one of his girlfriends.

Anyway, just because you want to believe he never had girlfriends doesn't make it true. The man had girlfriends.

And he married Debbie Rowe specifically to give him children, they even had a contract. Hardly a "sham" since it was known they were married only for her to bear him children.

Again I will defer to the 10 yr. FBI investigation and SBC Prosecutors office who indicted Michael on 14 counts of criminal conduct. He was acquitted on all counts. They had NO evidence. NONE. NO porn. No bloody underwear. NOTHING.

And, not only that. But Wade Robson was his star witness and was questioned for hours and was adamant that Jackson never did anything untoward with him.

Safechuck also denied the allegations until now, and conveniently - both are after MONEY.

Because the man is DEAD. What else is there to gain aside from money?

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Yea seriously. Just look how quickly a lot of celebrities have gone under in the last five years, even Bill Cosby couldn't hide stuff from years ago. A man who had such an upstanding and loyal following, who was an activist, etc.

And then there's MJ, a weirdo, an easy target, who was under FBI surveillance for over a decade, was poked prodded, transparent about his activities with children, his relationships with children. Wasn't found guilty, in fact more evidence of him being NOT a pedophile surfaced and people are still listening to two known career liars who adapt their stories to fit their life.
Didn't Robson steal many of his accusation stories from a book published shortly after the 93 trial?

Pedophile

Text book abuser, no matter how hard it is to watch that doc, watch it to see how they systematically groom the child and the family.

Sick. glad he's dead.
Have avoided his music since his first allegations, 'cause grown men just don't sleep with little boys unless it's to molest them.


If you like his pop music doesn't mean you should allow children to be abused. The parents were dicks too.
Gross

originally posted by: strongfp

Wasn't found guilty, in fact more evidence of him being NOT a pedophile surfaced and people are still listening to two known career liars who adapt their stories to fit their life.

And LaToya who lived with him for a decade and publicly stated what he did was wrong, how she witnessed him writing cheques to parents and how she wouldn't leave a child alone with him.

The prosecution from that trial are still convinced of his guilt all these years later.

a reply to: Iconic

Legally, he isn't guilty of molestation. From my understanding, only circumstantial evidence was presented at the infamous trial. Jackson's home was searched by the police. They would have found something that implicated him if it had been there.

On the other hand, if Robson's and Safechuck's testimony is to be believed, then he was a molester.

No matter what, their mothers were awful parents because they put their children in harm's way. A sleepover with a grown man who isn't a relative? What kind of mother would allow that?

originally posted by: Flavian

originally posted by: strongfp

Wasn't found guilty, in fact more evidence of him being NOT a pedophile surfaced and people are still listening to two known career liars who adapt their stories to fit their life.

And LaToya who lived with him for a decade and publicly stated what he did was wrong, how she witnessed him writing cheques to parents and how she wouldn't leave a child alone with him.

The prosecution from that trial are still convinced of his guilt all these years later.

Latoya has backtracked on her claims. She now says she was influenced to say thing by her then, abusive husband.

So yah, she really isn't credible.

And really? The prosecutors who tried him on 14 counts still believe his guilt?

Wow, now I'm definitely convinced.

Did you also know that his defense attorneys also are really 100% convinced to this day of his innocence?

Does that change your mind? lol

FBI investigated that man for 10 yrs. Turned his life upside down and took pictures of his literal # hole!

Did you know that the accuser described Jackson as being circumsized and he wasn't?

The entire thing is so disgusting and I honestly don't know if Jackson was guilty or not.

But I do know that he was never found to be guilty in a court of law and I also know that he has PLENTY of people who actually knew the man who would swear to his character so I'm going to say, leave the man alone now

He can't defend himself. And the only thing to gain by all of this coming out is $$ for questionable characters who are alive and who have plenty of reason $$$$ to make up stuff about the dead guy.