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Another 737 MAX-8 down

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posted on Jul, 1 2019 @ 03:08 PM
a reply to: DaMac

From Ethiopian Airlines website...

Full Flight Simulators

Ethiopian Airlines Aviation Academy, located at Bole International Airport, avails range of full flight simulator training on B787, B777, B737NG, and Q-400 as well as on simulators that we pioneered, B737, B757 and B767. Our A350 has joined our training offer. ...

And this...

Simulator Training

The Ethiopian Aviation Academy provides simulator trainings on the following Full Flight aircraft simulators:

B737/B737 NG,
Airbus A350 simulator

EA website

Notice there is nothing about 737-MAX...only 737-NG.

Note- I cannot explain the inconsistent reports. However, I watched the video you linked a picture of, and it does indeed say EA has a MAX simulator. However, the video also goes on to state the same simulator (and manuals) make no mention of MCAS and/or it's functionality.

Maybe we're both right, or both wrong, I don't know. I was wrong about there being "none", so I will acknowledge that. There is at least one. Beyond this there seems to be a great deal of confusion.

edit on 7/1/2019 by Flyingclaydisk because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 1 2019 @ 05:07 PM
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The simulators were scheduled to be installed this year at multiple locations. Southwest was scheduled to get theirs in October. It appears that at least a couple were installed last year, but thr majority of them were set for this year.

posted on Jul, 4 2019 @ 07:53 AM
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I completely agree with you, except for one point about which I am not positive--the pitch stability of the aircraft.

I have read at least one good article by a fellow more knowledgeable than I that the aircraft is NOT stable in pitch, at least stable enough to have passed standards for certification of transport category aircraft. After all, the only aircraft to require a maneuvering characteristics augmentation system was the MAX. The 737 did not require one until the MAX. That strongly suggests that the maneuvering characteristics was determined to be deficient by engineering calculations, and so MCAS was added.

I have a friend who flies one for a major airline, he is an F-16 jock too, and he says that under certain light loading conditions, just a relatively small number of pax, they must load the aircraft in a special manner to comply with CG limitations, and that implies a very touchy pitch stability situation.

Your point about nobody else having a simulator except Boeing speaks volumes.

posted on Jul, 4 2019 @ 08:29 AM
a reply to: Salander

Well, I don't fly one so I can't speak from personal experience, but my understanding is the biggest driving force behind the MCAS was to keep the MAX in the '737' type family. A new type would have required a new type rating and all the re-certification and training of crews which would go along with it. Like I've been saying all along, this whole problem boils down to one thing...corporate greed. They sold the airplane on the premise that the much of the airlines existing infrastructure for the 737 (including simulators) would be compatible with the MAX.

Boeing needed to fill the 757 gap, and Airbus was eating their lunch in that segment (especially with the A321's), so they tried to do it with the MAX and stay within the 737 envelope. But Boeing cut too many corners in their development and rollout.

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posted on Jul, 4 2019 @ 08:38 AM
"We need to bring the guys in India to the US. That way we can say it is outsourced but not "to India". We'll just use lower paid Indian guys here."

Maybe a case of "You get what you pay for". Complex software isn't easy, or at least it used to not be.

posted on Jul, 4 2019 @ 09:21 AM
a reply to: roadgravel

They already did that. Did you read the article I posted above?

posted on Jul, 4 2019 @ 09:30 AM
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I was stating that would be the logic used when it started, not after the fact. I wasn't saying they did it after the crashes.

I was mostly joking but it really is probably true.

posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 09:16 AM
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Yes, corporate greed resulting in loss of professionalism and essentially criminal behavior by the company.

Compounded by a culture in this country of not holding offenders responsible for their criminal ways.

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