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Trump Recognizes Guaido as Venezuela Leader, Challenging Maduro

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posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf


America is doing just fine

Economically not for very long.




It's your socialist dictatorships that are failing.

Ah yes because Crony Capitalism and Capitalism is always proven to better to right? the same Capitalism that is making people poorer and the rich even richer?

Oh and i am not socialist once again your failing with your insults on me Trump supporter.
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posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Propagandalf


America is doing just fine

Economically not for very long.




It's your socialist dictatorships that are failing.

Ah yes because Crony Capitalism and Capitalism is always proven to better to right? the same Capitalism that is making people poorer and the rich even richer?



That's right. It's why extreme poverty throughout the world is rapidly declining. The people throughout the entire world are wealthier than they've ever been. Well, except in Venezuela.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

You know that Right Winger that got into power in Brazil right? that you Trump supporters worship him?

Your beloved Jair Bolsonaro wants to cut down all of the rainforests and its protections to make way for business. That is not cool.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Propagandalf

You know that Right Winger that got into power in Brazil right? that you Trump supporters worship him?

Your beloved Jair Bolsonaro wants to cut down all of the rainforests and its protections to make way for business. That is not cool.


Look at Venezuela, who the champagne socialists from Bernie Sanders to Sean Penn held up as the shining light of a new socialism. They're eating their own trash.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

For the record, you approve and support the idea that another country could decide "america" was being oppressed, and in turn not Recognise Trump and the threat of Military intervention?

and just so we are clear, just because you don't think "america" is being oppressed I am sure there are many in Venezuela who don't feel they are being oppressed, but since you support the idea of another Government claiming it to be true, it wouldn't matter what you believe... correct?



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:07 PM
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The people throughout the entire world are wealthier than they've ever been

Only the rich throughout the entire world are wealthier. Ordinary people are not wealthier. There many families in Western Europe and in North America who only make 5k to 10k but not enough for a financial holdings.

Ordinary people work at two or more jobs just to pay off their rents and to buy food. So its clear your just defending the rich by making that statement.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk

it only counts if they don't like the new oppressor, many might agree with Bolsonaro, so they turn a blind eye to the "people" and follow their crush

in, Turn, if something is to be believed to be socialism (which it isn't) needs the USA to stop the oppression and free the "people"



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

Look at America who Trump's has a backer and supporter people like Adelson and other billionaires who don't give a crap about Americans.




They're eating their own trash.


Its only matter of time before Right wingers start eating their own when Trump doesn't keep his promises before 2020. especially getting out of Syria.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Propagandalf




The people throughout the entire world are wealthier than they've ever been

Only the rich throughout the entire world are wealthier. Ordinary people are not wealthier. There many families in Western Europe and in North America who only make 5k to 10k but not enough for a financial holdings.

Ordinary people work at two or more jobs just to pay off their rents and to buy food. So its clear your just defending the rich by making that statement.


If you don't like the rich that's fine. Don't try becoming rich.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: AtlasHawk

it only counts if they don't like the new oppressor, many might agree with Bolsonaro, so they turn a blind eye to the "people" and follow their crush

in, Turn, if something is to be believed to be socialism (which it isn't) needs the USA to stop the oppression and free the "people"


Meanwhile, the United Socialist Party of Venezuela has to hold sham elections to remain in power.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea

want to argue that North Korea is Democratic?



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Propagandalf

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea

want to argue that North Korea is Democratic?



They're also socialist.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 04:36 PM
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On 1 May, in Cojedes state, Maduro threatened taking action against supermarkets and food centers nationwide if they increased the prices of products in the following days, declaring that after the 20 May election "I'll be president anyway...by hook or by crook"".[87][88] On 2 May, Maduro warned in a campaign rally in Vargas state that if a "capitalist government" that handed over the country's resources were to be installed, he would take up arms himself to defend the revolution, stating "I would take a rifle to start the armed revolution. These people will never stand for a sellout and capitalist government, that is why we have to prepare ourselves to defend in peace the sovereignty and democracy of Venezuela",[89] On 18 May, Maduro stated "Venezuela has become the focus and the elections in a world election ... I will accept the results, whatever they are".[90] He said that his opponent Henri Falcón was the International Monetary Fund's candidate.
Maduro affirmed not to care about the position of the countries that declared that they will dismiss the presidential elections, saying "What f''k do I give that Europe does not recognize me, that Washington does not recognize me. I care about what the Venezuelan people say".
[91] On 11 May President Maduro said, during a campaign rally in Trujillo state, "Imperialism, go f''k yourself with your orders because here in Venezuela the sovereign people rules".[92] Before a campaign rally in Charallave on 15 May 2018, President Maduro's group handed out free mangoes to supporters suffering from hunger who had arrived at the event.[93]

On 16 May President Maduro said that he foresaw a "great victory" and accused the US and France of trying to "put pressure on the country" to overthrow his government, saying "The Ku Klux Klan of Washington is pursuing us". Maduro also blamed Venezuela's economic difficulties on "the economic forces of the United States" and the "oligarchy that did not conform when it lost political power".[94]



On 24 May, Maduro took oath among the Constituent Assembly, a ceremony that should have taken place in January 2018 with the opposition-led National Assembly in accordance with Article 231 of the Venezuelan constitution.[137] The National Assembly rejected the election's results, calling them an "electoral farce"[138] and declared that Maduro must be considered "a usurper".[139] However, Maduro's new six-year term did not begin until 10 January 2019, when he took his official oath at a public ceremony in Caracas in front of the Venezuelan Supreme Court.[140] The ceremony was attended by spectators such as Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega and president of Bolivia Evo Morales.[140] The elections were widely disputed both within Venezuela and in the broader international community. In January 2019, the National Assembly declared the results of the election invalid, and invoked clauses of the 1999 Venezuelan Constitution to install National Assembly Speaker Juan Guaidó as acting president, precipitating the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis. Maduro's supporters refused to acknowledge the move,
and Guaidó was placed under arrest for a short time (the details of which are under dispute).
Several international organizations and independent countries have lined up to support either side of the conflict, and the former Supreme Tribunal of Justice of Venezuela, in exile in Panama since 2017, has given its support to the legitimacy of the National Assembly's moves.



On 13 January, Guaidó was briefly detained by Venezuelan security forces, with each side claiming the other party was responsible; Maduro's supporters claimed the arrest was staged while Guaidó called the arrest an attempt to stop the National Assembly from assuming power. Maduro's government states that the actions taken against him are "the results of imperialism perpetrated by the United States and allies" that put Venezuela "at the centre of a world war".[38]

The Venezuelan opposition justifies its actions, stating that both the national and international community must unite behind a transitional government that will guarantee humanitarian aid, bring the restoration of Venezuela's rule of law, and have the ability to hold democratic elections.[39]


Maps and lists of East / West supporters from wiki pages recommended . Interesting that Mexico and Bolivia Egypt and Morocco are recognising Maduro's election .



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 05:26 PM
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So, you can sit there and point fingers at maduro and Chavez for being dictators in some nameless fashion, and How they’re to blame for the state of Venezuela. At the same time you ignore the scope of your very own nations actions to bring that all about. The whole point of sanctions is to SPECIFICALLY DEPRIVE CITIZENS OF NECESSITIES until they eventually submit to the pressure and overthrow their govt. And when that exact result happens you act like it’s the fault of their govt. I suppose it’s not much different than the way we bomb a nation like Libya to hell, then point at what a bad leader Qaddafi was.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

Capitalism always leads to ever increasing disparity. It’s functioning just as intended. It’s a cycle of booms and busts where the banks consolidate more and more of the wealth each time. This is how it’s always functioned in every single place it’s existed. And I don’t think we should be discussing socialism if you don’t know what it is.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk

Only the rich throughout the entire world are wealthier. Ordinary people are not wealthier. There many families in Western Europe and in North America who only make 5k to 10k but not enough for a financial holdings.

Ordinary people work at two or more jobs just to pay off their rents and to buy food. So its clear your just defending the rich by making that statement.


In the last 20 years the number of people around the world that were labeled poverty has been cut in half. The vast majority of population now lives in a middle class level society. The problem is many on the left do not know what that means and so they only see a consumer style of existence that total bloats what one sees as need for a standard of living.

Rich get richer and the poor get poorer...bla bla bla



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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So, you’re trying to tell me that over the last 20 years, 10 of which was the Great Recession for most of the world, that the average standard of living has increased? I think your statistics or definitions are off. Probably in the same vein that you actually believe that 95.5% of Americans are gainfully employed. At any rate, the nation with the greatest growth in standards of living, as industrialized nations go, is China, who largely claim to be communist. They have over 1 billion people, and I can see their growing middle class would probably be a large part of your statistic, but I wouldn’t put that on the side of capitalism.
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posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
So, you’re trying to tell me that over the last 20 years, 10 of which was the Great Recession for most of the world, that the average standard of living has increased? I think your statistics or definitions are off. Probably in the same vein that you actually believe that 95.5% of Americans are gainfully employed. At any rate, the nation with the greatest growth in standards of living, as industrialized nations go, is China, who largely claim to be communist. They have over 1 billion people, and I can see their growing middle class would probably be a large part of your statistic, but I wouldn’t put that on the side of capitalism.


The problem is you do not understand the 4 levels of living so I will help...

Level 1: This is extreme poverty, with people living on less than $2 a day. They probably walk in bare feet, sleep on dirt floors, must fetch their water, and cook over an open fire. About 7% are in this level.

Level 2: About 2.5 billion are in this category, surviving on between $2 and $8 a day. Life is typically a little easier with a gas stove, mattresses, a bike (perhaps to fetch water), and shoes. Children are able to go to school instead of working.

Level 3: In this category, people live on between $8 and $32 a day. Think running water, a refrigerator, maybe a motor bike. Kids might even be able to finish high school. About 3 billion are in this category.

Level 4: The rest of the world, about a billion people, spend $32 plus or more per day. They probably have a car, a high school education, and can take the occasional vacation.

Now you say what the hell!!! I make 2000 per month and live like crap!!! The problem is it is like you are standing on a tall building looking down at everyone below you and they all look the same, but there are HUGE differences between the levels. Now 4 bucks more per day to you might mean nothing, but it is a world of differences to a level 1 as their life drastically changes for the better.

When we say the rich get richer we can also say the poor get richer too as they move into higher levels. If we said we are going to rip 10 trillion per year from the ultra rich and give to the masses it would give us all 3 dollars more per day. I'm not sure how many years we could do this until the ultra rich ran out of money but it would move all the level 1 into level two and most likely level 2s in to level 3s, but that would be about it until the money ran out.

Even when we suggest a level 5 of 256 per day or a level 6 of 1000 per day their lives does not vastly improve compared to the 1 to 4 dollar a day, or the 4 to 16... Even a level 10 (if there was one) at like 130k per day their life is still level 4, but they have more cars bigger/more houses etc. I make about 120 bucks an hour if broken down and I don't live any differently than someone making a 1/3 of my pay.

Now here at the top we live a consumer society that also skews everything up into people thinking that 100k is not enough... I can skew numbers more and say you saved zero money last year, in fact you went into debt some and I saved 10,000 so I can say I saved over 10,000 TIMES what you saved!!! BUT we both lived OK in our level 4 in the end...

You need to actually look into this all and gain some understanding past political narratives that seems to be everyone's only understanding. Go back to the 1950s and big part of EU was still in the level 1 and 2.... So if 50% of level 1s moved to level 2 and 50% of level 2s move to level 3 in the last 20 years IT IS A BIG DEAL... you and others just can't see it.


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posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 10:04 PM
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Sorry, I don’t think any of that is terribly relevant, and I also think the idea of someone living off $4 a day vs 8 a day being a drastic difference is flawed. I’ve seen people on the street here living as bad as someone in the third world. And I’m sure there are plenty aboriginals who live off $0 a day who have happier, less stress filled lives than those of us in the industrialized nations. Regardless, if you’re talking about taxing the rich and whether it’s justified or not, I think only discretionary income should be taxed. And as the lower and middle class have almost none then yes, almost all the taxes should come from the wealthy. Further, productivity shouldn’t be taxed. So if you are a laborer, or a company that creates a value added product, then no taxes for you. But if you make money by stealing others productivity, or rents, or capital gains, then you should be taxed accordingly.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 10:34 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Xtrozero

Sorry, I don’t think any of that is terribly relevant, and I also think the idea of someone living off $4 a day vs 8 a day being a drastic difference is flawed. I’ve seen people on the street here living as bad as someone in the third world. And I’m sure there are plenty aboriginals who live off $0 a day who have happier, less stress filled lives than those of us in the industrialized nations.


Not relevant when I'm talking about 99.9999% of the population. When I say a buck a day that doesn't mean an actual American dollar but what they make or have, so it could be money, food, etc...

Not talking happiness here...does that aboriginal have access to medical, schools, basic fundamentals etc... What I talked about is reality, not up for debate. I explained it in a very simple form, so you might have outliners...

Does that 2 buck a day level 1 also have this that your aboriginal has who you say makes 0?


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