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Trump Recognizes Guaido as Venezuela Leader, Challenging Maduro

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posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Propagandalf
But, they did. As stated clearly by the organization for international observers. Which I posted. Deny ignorance.



There is no such organization. You're spreading propaganda from the Maduro government. One of the authors is editor of 21stcenturysocialism.com, and the rest from leftist rags. 21st century socialism is the name Chavez gave to his brand of socialism. Deny ignorance.




posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Propagandalf

how...how does that make sense...


Their elections were a sham.


One could argue the same about the 2016 American elections.


One could deflect all he wants.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:38 PM
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My goodness it seems Trump Jr are obsessed with both Iran and Venezuela.
The Trump admin is finally showing his true side.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
My goodness it seems Trump Jr are obsessed with both Iran and Venezuela.
The Trump admin is finally showing his true side.


They oppose dictatorship and the oppression of Venezuelan citizens? Lock them up.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: AtlasHawk

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Propagandalf

how...how does that make sense...


Their elections were a sham.


One could argue the same about the 2016 American elections.


One could deflect all he wants.


From what i remember in 2016. Candidate Trump wanted to get out of Syria and Afghanistan. He even back then stated America shouldn't being trying to meddle or try to remove dictators.


Yet here we again the Trump admin is now back paddling on his promises, go figure.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
My goodness it seems Trump Jr are obsessed with both Iran and Venezuela.
The Trump admin is finally showing his true side.


They oppose dictatorship and the oppression of Venezuelan citizens? Lock them up.


But they don't dictatorship and the oppression of Saudi Arabian people right?

Do i need to remind you that the regime changes have always failed? look at Iraq and Libya for pointers Neocon.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf


They oppose dictatorship and the oppression of Venezuelan citizens

You Trump supporters are rather ironic and comical at sometimes.
You want regime changes in both Iran and Venezuela when you realize these regime changes have already failed and have always resulted in a outcome that is negative to the people living there in those countries.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
My goodness it seems Trump Jr are obsessed with both Iran and Venezuela.
The Trump admin is finally showing his true side.


They oppose dictatorship and the oppression of Venezuelan citizens? Lock them up.


But they don't dictatorship and the oppression of Saudi Arabian people right?

Do i need to remind you that the regime changes have always failed? look at Iraq and Libya for pointers Neocon.


Deflect all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you're defending a dictator who oppresses his people and trying to insult those that don't.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Here’s the letter from the organization of international observers about the UN appraisal of the elections in Venezuela. You are spouting lies, and supporting lies created by TPTB in order to set the stage for an undemocratic coup, or a war if that fails. Stop spreading and supporting the mistruths that add to public support for illegal wars of conquest and acquisition.


“I was a member of a roughly hundred-strong core of observers of the May 20 Venezuelan election. We met senior representatives of all the candidates, and questioned them closely. We met with the president and two vice-presidents of the Supreme Judicial Tribunal. We examined the electoral system in detail and, on election day, observed voting procedures across the country.
We noted, in particular, not only the sophistication of the voting system which, in our collective view, is fraud-proof, but also that every stage, from the vote itself to the collation of returns, their verification and electronic submission, was conducted in the presence of representatives of the contending parties. As for “reporting irregularities”, we would be interested to hear of examples, since the reporting system is exceptionally rigorous and tamper-free. We doubt you have any evidence to back up the EU’s claim of “numerous reporting irregularities”.
We were unanimous in concluding that the elections were conducted fairly, that the election conditions were not biased, that genuine irregularities were exceptionally few and of a very minor nature. There was no vote buying because there is no way that a vote CAN be bought. The procedure itself precludes any possibility of anyone knowing how a voter cast her or his vote; and it is impossible – as we verified – for an individual to vote more than once or for anyone to vote on behalf of someone else.
In short, the claims in your press release are fabrications of the most disgraceful kind, based on hearsay and not on evidence and unworthy of the EU. It has not escaped notice that the EU was invited to send observers to the election and declined to do so. NONE of the criticism in your EU press release is, therefore, based on direct EU observation in the field.
I would be happy to discuss this further with you and to put you or your colleagues in touch with other observers – among whom were senior politicians, academics, election officials, journalists and civil servants from many different nations including: Spain, UK, Northern Ireland, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, Honduras, Italy, several Caribbean countries, South Africa, Tunisia, China, Russia,and the United States (sic).
Yours sincerely,
Jeremy Fox, journalist / writer
Jospeh Farrell, Board of the Centre for Investigative Journalism
Calvin Tucker, journalist MS
Dr Francisco Dominguez, Latin American Studies, Middlesex University”

Your source is undercutting you. They're saying the elections in Venezuela were legitimate. Which means the Venezuelan supreme court wasn't justified in declaring them illegitimate.

The guy being recognized as the "legitimate" leader is the head of the (suspended) National Assembly, which instituted their version of impeachment proceedings and declared Maduro's regime to be illegitimate.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
don't be fooled by this. The Only reason the Trump admin recognized Guaido as Venezuela Leader is because of the oil reserves. And mainly because the Trump admin is in bed with Interventionists and Neocons.

Trump yet again is meddling in affairs of another country, while risking his own presidency at home by doing this. Not very MAGA.


I have to laugh when I read crap like this lol. Trump meddling rofl. Can you say Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Vietnam, Korea, Nicaragua, Guatemala, cuba, etc. Hello. None of those were trump and half of them were democrats. Bitch about all of the presidents or bitch about none.

Cheers - Dave
edit on 1/23.2019 by bobs_uruncle because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

The Regime Change that was.
The unsexy truth about why the Arab Spring failed

Libya: the battle for peace in a failing state

Because Regime Changes worked there so great why don't we try it again in Venezuela? America doesn't care about the people there they want the oil.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: AtlasHawk

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
My goodness it seems Trump Jr are obsessed with both Iran and Venezuela.
The Trump admin is finally showing his true side.


They oppose dictatorship and the oppression of Venezuelan citizens? Lock them up.


But they don't dictatorship and the oppression of Saudi Arabian people right?

Do i need to remind you that the regime changes have always failed? look at Iraq and Libya for pointers Neocon.


Deflect all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you're defending a dictator who oppresses his people and trying to insult those that don't.


That's rather comical coming from a Trump supporter.
Whose President is now back paddling on his promises of bringing back the troops.
Trump sure has quite a long list of making promises and never keeping them.

It seems some of you Trump supporters are no different from Hillary supporters that want more wars and interventions go figure.

edit on 23-1-2019 by AtlasHawk because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Propagandalf

The Regime Change that was.
The unsexy truth about why the Arab Spring failed

Libya: the battle for peace in a failing state

Because Regime Changes worked there so great why don't we try it again in Venezuela? America doesn't care about the people there they want the oil.


And you don't care about the people living in Venezuela. You just hate America.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Propagandalf

You Trump supporters are rather ironic and comical at sometimes.
You want regime changes in both Iran and Venezuela when you realize these regime changes have already failed and have always resulted in a outcome that is negative to the people living there in those countries.



Give the straw man a rest, Atlas. Nobody wants war with either Iran or Venezuela.
And as I just stated, Venezuela's parliament has used its legal authority to oust
Maduro,
following the move by the supreme court to invalidate the legislature.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: AtlasHawk

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
My goodness it seems Trump Jr are obsessed with both Iran and Venezuela.
The Trump admin is finally showing his true side.


They oppose dictatorship and the oppression of Venezuelan citizens? Lock them up.


But they don't dictatorship and the oppression of Saudi Arabian people right?

Do i need to remind you that the regime changes have always failed? look at Iraq and Libya for pointers Neocon.


Deflect all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you're defending a dictator who oppresses his people and trying to insult those that don't.


That's rather comical coming from a Trump supporter.
Whose President is now back paddling on his promises of bringing back the troops.

Trump sure has quite a long list of making promises and never keeping them.


Another deflection.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

Before you want to meddle in affairs of another country or countries. Its best that you Americans start worrying and cleaning up your own house first.

Seeing how Trump isn't doing that.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
By next year or so Venezuela's parliament will be allowing America to built a base. Just wait and watch i know where this is going.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Propagandalf

Before you want to meddle in affairs of another country or countries. Its best that you Americans start worrying and cleaning up your own house first.

Seeing how Trump isn't doing that.


America is doing just fine. It's your socialist dictatorships that are failing.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

If anyone is deflecting here that would be you. And your comical by stating these things.




You Hate America.


You seem triggered.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Propagandalf

If anyone is deflecting here that would be you. And your comical by stating these things.




You Hate America.


You seem triggered.


More deflecting. Your argument, not that you had one, remains as silly as when you first stated it.




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