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originally posted by: drewlander
Mobile phone user here. I thought skmeones washing machine caught on fire or something and it was being extinguished.
Who owns this world?
originally posted by: jaxnmarko
People pouring across the border illegally. Demands for a Wall. Accusations of Racism because of a desire to protect our own borders from illegal crossings. WHAT IF.... it were people pouring across the Northern border illegally. White people, maybe they speak French instead of Spanish. Is it racist to want to protect our own borders regardless of where the crossers come from? Would there be accusations then? Why can't Americans be allowed to protect our borders where and when we want without being "Racist"? That makes us too easy of targets, as though standing up for our laws was wrong, as though our tax dollars going to school, house, offer healthcare, and allow to get drivers licenses, even vote now in some areas, these people that are purposely flaunting our laws for whatever reason they may have. I can sympathize, but we offer legal ways to come here, and coming here illegally is a slap in the face of those that do come here legally, on top of the rest of us. Yeah, right now it is the Southern border, but is that the point?
originally posted by: sooth
I think a more apt what if scenario is what if the South was allowed to secede from the Union in 1860 and successfully became their own country? And fast forward to present day and that southern state wasn't as well-off as their Union neighbors. So many of those people from that struggling southern nation began illegally migrating to the Union in droves. Except many of these people, just as today with the south, tended to be conservative and vote for the Republican party.
Now ask yourself, which party do you think would be against these immigrants illegally coming into the union and which party do you suppose would be against it?
That is what this is all about. Nothing more, nothing less. One political party feverishly trying to grab power and another desperately trying to hold onto power.
And Joe Blow citizen is in favor of whatever he thinks gives their side more control. Yay team! Go Politics!!
originally posted by: Metallicus
Even though you are creating a disingenuos straw man argument I will respond. This is an issue of sovereignty. No borders equals no country. I would expect anyone coming to our country to respect it enough to follow the rule of law.
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Xtrozero
Oh no seeking a better life in America!
Isn't that the whole point of the romantic idea of America?
Anyways, although the numbers from the southern boarder are rather high, it's at least understandable as to why.
But most illegals aren't coming from the southern boarder at all, they are from other places including Canada.
originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: jaxnmarko
If it was the northen border we would temporarily shut down all the bowling alleys and ban beer sales so they would go back home on their own volition.
originally posted by: wantsome
We get a lot of invaders from Canada. People come from all around the world to Canada to try and enter the United States illegally. In Michigan we have the busiest border crossing with Canada in the country. We have border patrol all over the place including the coast guard. We have cameras all up and down our water ways. I've been fishing on the great lakes for 35 years. I see the border patrol every time I'm out. If I accidentally cross into Canadian waters chances are I'm going to have to explain myself. But I don't do it because I don't want the hassle. I stay away from crossing into Canada. Most of us know better. They've caught Chinese people running across the Detroit river in the winter in sub zero temps with no shoes and no coats. Smugglers pull up to the river in a car and say there's America go for it. The great lakes coastline is larger then the east coast and west coat of America combined. The Canadian border is massive. There's no way you're going to wall off
Mexico let alone Canada. A lot of people in Michigan came from Canada illegally. All this talk of a wall with Mexico is nothing but Trump trying to rally his moron followers.