An 8-year-old migrant has died in U.S. custody on Christmas Day

So much hate in this thread...

Well, I feel just terrible for those poor poor migrants who have to drag their poor sick children through hell and all they have left is pictures on their SMART PHONE. Just, you know, breaks mah hurt.

a reply to: abe froman

I could have sworn we had protections for this. A truth in media act type of law.

We live in scary times where the Clintons kill the power to be informed, then Obama comes along and changes the Smith-mundt act to legalize propaganda against us and their choice of propaganda was to pit everyone against each other and flood all countries with 3rd worlders.

Hate to sound nutty with the nwo talk, but gd, they are doing this across the world.

It feels like a nwo play.

Maybe a last ditch effort for govs to maintain power ahead of the information age when everyone will be able to see how they have been being used as cash cattle?.

Maybe they are going nuts drinking their own think tanks coolaid?

Maybe they know an ice age is coming and want to get everyone out of the south?

Idk, but we are in a weird timeline.

a reply to: BoscoMoney

Breaks my heart to see a poor imigrant who cant afford to care for her child, hopefully the 1000 dollar phone can give her some solace.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.

So these kids crossing our borders should be what, put into foster care? Only take the adults into custody? Or did you just say that with no clue as to how it SHOULD be handled? Sorry if that question bothers you, but I get tired of hearing someone complain about how things are done but offer no ideas for how it should be done. So if you don't think they should be taken in with the parents, what should we do?

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.

Ummm...what’s truly obscene is that these parents dragged their child thousands of miles on foot due to political posturing...in a funded campaign designed to embarrass and discredit a president...

What is unjust is that these people were used and abused by the organizers of these caravans...and by a certain political party and it’s cohorts and champions...not least of all the media...

Why might I ask hasn’t this certain political party and the caravan backers provided these duped people with transportation back to their countries of origin...or medical care for that matter...

The laws are just and right...come to this country through the approved and designed methods...not as an invading mob whose design is to provide just such fodder for the non caring media as we have in this story...





YouSir

originally posted by: caterpillage
a reply to: BoscoMoney

Breaks my heart to see a poor imigrant who cant afford to care for her child, hopefully the 1000 dollar phone can give her some solace.

The $1000 phone and the $8000 per person they paid the drug cartel's. For that father and son he paid $16000 or more depending on how far you have to go. Gee I'm sorry you're so poor. Maybe use some of that money to take care of your kid. My daughter who joined the CBP over a year ago now told me about a woman with 2 kids coming from China paid $32000 EACH to come here. That's $96000 paid to the cartel's by someone who is so poor their kids are starving, REALLY?

originally posted by: projectvxn
Propaganda.

That is all this is.

.

A kid died.

It’s not propaganda.

Please don’t be so blinded by your politics that you will trivialise the death of a child.

smartphones are not all 1000$ Samsungs.

ignoramuses

there are 100$ smartphones or less. a phone is not just a phone in modern times. its a lifeline, its a proverbial commodity, they are as common as sugar... ffs..

this country is great again.

Sounds like the parents need to be charged with neglect and child endangerment for dragging them on a cross continental journey despite their state. Seems they were in a pretty bad condition when picked up by border control.

Hm, let's see, the photo in the OP is for the incident that happened earlier in the month and has nothing to do with the incident being reported today.

There wouldn't be any sort of attempt at conflation of the two separate incidences, would there?

The very strong implication I am seeing in all of these stories is that it is somehow the government's fault that the boy has died simply because he was in their custody. The simple fact of the matter is, we don't know the exact cause of death or what may have exacerbated his health issues.

While the death of a child is always sad and a tremendous loss for the family, to say that the circumstances in which the child was placed prior to his arrival in the U.S. played no role is shortsighted at best and purposely deceiving at worse.

originally posted by: MikeA

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.

So these kids crossing our borders should be what, put into foster care? Only take the adults into custody? Or did you just say that with no clue as to how it SHOULD be handled? Sorry if that question bothers you, but I get tired of hearing someone complain about how things are done but offer no ideas for how it should be done. So if you don't think they should be taken in with the parents, what should we do?

It is wrong to hold children in custody. Despite the difficulty about how you resolve it, Taking the moral low-ground and making excuses is also wrong.

If Americans love liberty, they seem to dispense it very selectively.

The percentage of incarcerated people and the total numbers of incarcerated people in the US is the highest in the world, bar none. America has a problem with liberty, it was founded on liberty as a hope but it has become the country with the least liberty in the world.

Yes, it's hard, but the solution isn't to place more and more people in custody, including children, and then to excuse it as if it weren't entirely against the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Here's an idea, how about you simply dissolve the border fortifications and do a deal with the Mex government to allow free travel but with a requirement that Mexico allow social, policing and legal integration with the US?

You could also apply special taxation for migrants (as Mexico could do as well) to ensure that any financial instability is compensated adequately.

America united previously to become the United States. Why not keep going until the natural borders, like the oceans, are the true borders and the current 'Americas' become America?

A child who was an American citizen would have died under the same circumstances which is American hospital care. Overworked and overcrowded especially in the SW US American health care has been degrading over the last few decades. Of course it's sad when a child dies but nationality or legal status had zilch to do with it.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
So much hate in this thread...

You haven't noticed? It's spreading thru ATS like a cancer.

there's also a negative side....

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.

Ummm...what’s truly obscene is that these parents dragged their child thousands of miles on foot due to political posturing...in a funded campaign designed to embarrass and discredit a president...

What is unjust is that these people were used and abused by the organizers of these caravans...and by a certain political party and it’s cohorts and champions...not least of all the media...

Why might I ask hasn’t this certain political party and the caravan backers provided these duped people with transportation back to their countries of origin...or medical care for that matter...

The laws are just and right...come to this country through the approved and designed methods...not as an invading mob whose design is to provide just such fodder for the non caring media as we have in this story...

YouSir

While it may be wrong to traipse kids across deserts, it is also wrong for the kids to stay where they are and die of starvation or at the hands of the government approved armed thugs/slave drivers.

Trump has demonized these people who are, in the majority, actually refugees. Yes, there are no doubt criminals among them, but the children aren't.

And as for discrediting a President, sheesh! This started way before Trump was elected and was occurring while the Democrats were in office. The suggestion that the situation is one party picking on another, is just the most screwed up misrepresentation of the facts I think I have ever heard.

Heartbreaking to hear of the death of any child.

From the OP's article, it sounds like it was the border agent that recognized the little boy was very ill and sent him and his father to the hospital for treatment. He was evaluated and given medications and released. Later that night, he started vomiting, was returned to the hospital, but died.

Odd that the cause of the child’s death is not known.

This child had probably been sick for a while and weakened. Nothing had been done for him till he got here most likely. He supposedly was on this journey with only his "father".

Not to be cynical, but I hope they check DNA to see if that man was really the child's father. Too many accounts of child trafficking and kids being found that have no relationship to the person they're with.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.

Ummm...what’s truly obscene is that these parents dragged their child thousands of miles on foot due to political posturing...in a funded campaign designed to embarrass and discredit a president...

What is unjust is that these people were used and abused by the organizers of these caravans...and by a certain political party and it’s cohorts and champions...not least of all the media...

Why might I ask hasn’t this certain political party and the caravan backers provided these duped people with transportation back to their countries of origin...or medical care for that matter...

The laws are just and right...come to this country through the approved and designed methods...not as an invading mob whose design is to provide just such fodder for the non caring media as we have in this story...

YouSir

Trump has demonized these people who are, in the majority, actually refugees.

Do you have ANY sort of source to back this claim up? And what sort of refugees are you claiming they are? I don't believe economic refugees are dealt with the same way under treaty, are they?

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
So much hate in this thread...

You haven't noticed? It's spreading thru ATS like a cancer.

there's also a negative side....

It's kinda hard to miss ....

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: projectvxn
Propaganda.

That is all this is.

.

A kid died.

It’s not propaganda.

Please don’t be so blinded by your politics that you will trivialise the death of a child.

Sadly the kid dying is propaganda. The US is being blamed for this death when it is fully on the fault of the parent that dragged the kid to the US. Media is not going to tell the truth about all this, but will in fact use it as propaganda against Trump.

So sad, but so true that a death of a child will be used as propaganda yet again by the media and politicians to try to deface Trump. It's the saddest part of all this is that it will happen again too.