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An 8-year-old migrant has died in U.S. custody on Christmas Day

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posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: Rewey

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.


Ummm...what’s truly obscene is that these parents dragged their child thousands of miles on foot due to political posturing...in a funded campaign designed to embarrass and discredit a president...

What is unjust is that these people were used and abused by the organizers of these caravans...and by a certain political party and it’s cohorts and champions...not least of all the media...

Why might I ask hasn’t this certain political party and the caravan backers provided these duped people with transportation back to their countries of origin...or medical care for that matter...

The laws are just and right...come to this country through the approved and designed methods...not as an invading mob whose design is to provide just such fodder for the non caring media as we have in this story...


YouSir



Trump has demonized these people who are, in the majority, actually refugees.


Do you have ANY sort of source to back this claim up? And what sort of refugees are you claiming they are? I don't believe economic refugees are dealt with the same way under treaty, are they?


Really? You expect that people leave everything they have, friends, families, home & etc and traipse thousands of miles through dangerous territory, just to "pick on the president" in another country? That narrative makes no rational sense.

Central America Refugee Crisis - UNHCR

Asylum in the United States From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Desperate Central American refugees cross into Mexico from river - The Guardian

Today’s Migrant Flow Is Different - The Atlantic




posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rewey

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.


Ummm...what’s truly obscene is that these parents dragged their child thousands of miles on foot due to political posturing...in a funded campaign designed to embarrass and discredit a president...

What is unjust is that these people were used and abused by the organizers of these caravans...and by a certain political party and it’s cohorts and champions...not least of all the media...

Why might I ask hasn’t this certain political party and the caravan backers provided these duped people with transportation back to their countries of origin...or medical care for that matter...

The laws are just and right...come to this country through the approved and designed methods...not as an invading mob whose design is to provide just such fodder for the non caring media as we have in this story...


YouSir



Trump has demonized these people who are, in the majority, actually refugees.


Do you have ANY sort of source to back this claim up? And what sort of refugees are you claiming they are? I don't believe economic refugees are dealt with the same way under treaty, are they?


Really? You expect that people leave everything they have, friends, families, home & etc and traipse thousands of miles through dangerous territory, just to "pick on the president" in another country? That narrative makes no rational sense.

Central America Refugee Crisis - UNHCR

Asylum in the United States From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Desperate Central American refugees cross into Mexico from river - The Guardian

Today’s Migrant Flow Is Different - The Atlantic


Woah, your argument there makes no rational sense. I didn't mention Trump or claim that they made the journey just to pick on someone. Just asking if they only qualify as economic refugees, and if they're treated the same under international treaties regarding refugees, because I don't believe that they are.

I'm sorry if the words 'only economic refugees' offends you, but it's a legitimate question.
edit on 25-12-2018 by Rewey because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Propaganda.

That is all this is.

I'm sorry for the parents to have lost their kid.

But we all know why the title is what it is and the story says something else.

I'm seeing this everywhere right now and it is disgusting.


G-damn, you guys make the deplorables look like cartoon characters.

I have a feeling many of you frequent posters here would rate high on the socio/psycho-path scale... the empathy seems to register next to zero for a large number of posters here.

I just don't know if you guys are for real, or if you're just ok appearing to be sociopaths in defense of Trump. Do you know what you sound like?



edit on 25-12-2018 by Mahogany because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: MikeA

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.

So these kids crossing our borders should be what, put into foster care? Only take the adults into custody? Or did you just say that with no clue as to how it SHOULD be handled? Sorry if that question bothers you, but I get tired of hearing someone complain about how things are done but offer no ideas for how it should be done. So if you don't think they should be taken in with the parents, what should we do?


It is wrong to hold children in custody. Despite the difficulty about how you resolve it, Taking the moral low-ground and making excuses is also wrong.

If Americans love liberty, they seem to dispense it very selectively.

The percentage of incarcerated people and the total numbers of incarcerated people in the US is the highest in the world, bar none. America has a problem with liberty, it was founded on liberty as a hope but it has become the country with the least liberty in the world.

Yes, it's hard, but the solution isn't to place more and more people in custody, including children, and then to excuse it as if it weren't entirely against the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Here's an idea, how about you simply dissolve the border fortifications and do a deal with the Mex government to allow free travel but with a requirement that Mexico allow social, policing and legal integration with the US?

You could also apply special taxation for migrants (as Mexico could do as well) to ensure that any financial instability is compensated adequately.

America united previously to become the United States. Why not keep going until the natural borders, like the oceans, are the true borders and the current 'Americas' become America?

Oh I see. Out chasing rainbows again?? So if we just opened the border and let people come and go as they please everyone would come here and make a bee line to whatever office is set up for the purpose of collecting their information so that they can be charged those taxes you mentioned when they get a job? And I guess we should open the doors to the prisons and let them all out, because we have a lot of criminals?? You're right we do have more people in prison in this country than any other in the world. The reason for that is simple, it's not a punishment, it's a country club. You can ask any hard core criminal they will tell you that American prisons are a joke. You can't do this, you can't do that because it might upset some child molester or mass murderer. Oh my God they might become uncomfortable. Have you ever seen what prison life is like in say Russia? There's no common areas, no phones or TVs. You sit in your cell all day period. If you leave your cell you do so in cuffs with your arms forced up to bend you over and have a dog at your heels. Two guards hold your arms up and walk you to wherever and put you in another box, and never move more than one person at a time. If you even say anything violent to a guard they will break your arms throwing you to the ground if they have to. It's a prison for the purpose of punishment. We can't have that here because the bleeding hearts would go nuts. Of course those same bleeding hearts also complain about the all the crime and someone, else, should do something about it.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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Children die every single day in every city and every country across the globe, why am I supposed to think this particular child is more special than the child that starved to death in a homeless encampment in the US?

The fact that the Left wants me to believe this childs death is more tragic than all the others is politicizing the death, and whats a shame is so many good solid intelligent people will believe this death is something worse than the others...



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: seattlerat


This is terribly sad. Trekking through the desert is no joke. Dehydration can be deadly. I don’t believe she had enough to eat or drink before being taken into custody.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:23 PM
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I think it's a shame. Maybe US customs needs a few hearing in DC to make sure they are not doing their jobs poorly. Whether it's abortion or small babies from another country I don't like it when the country murders babies.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: seattlerat

There are lots of things about your OP which make me angry (very), but I'm not going to comment on them, or any other posts in this thread. However, I am going to state two things...

1. Nobody should die on Christmas.

2. Choosing a political angle to a death on Christmas is reprehensible beyond description, and some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for allowing yourself to be drawn down into such a stupid discussion!

Ask me about people dying on Christmas! I might have a story or two.




posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
I think it's a shame. Maybe US customs needs a few hearing in DC to make sure they are not doing their jobs poorly. Whether it's abortion or small babies from another country I don't like it when the country murders babies.

Yes they should because that guy taking care of himself and not his child is clearly CBPs fault. This kid did not go from healthy, to sick, to dead in the few hours (Not days) that he was with CBP.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: Rewey

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rewey

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.


Ummm...what’s truly obscene is that these parents dragged their child thousands of miles on foot due to political posturing...in a funded campaign designed to embarrass and discredit a president...

What is unjust is that these people were used and abused by the organizers of these caravans...and by a certain political party and it’s cohorts and champions...not least of all the media...

Why might I ask hasn’t this certain political party and the caravan backers provided these duped people with transportation back to their countries of origin...or medical care for that matter...

The laws are just and right...come to this country through the approved and designed methods...not as an invading mob whose design is to provide just such fodder for the non caring media as we have in this story...


YouSir



Trump has demonized these people who are, in the majority, actually refugees.


Do you have ANY sort of source to back this claim up? And what sort of refugees are you claiming they are? I don't believe economic refugees are dealt with the same way under treaty, are they?


Really? You expect that people leave everything they have, friends, families, home & etc and traipse thousands of miles through dangerous territory, just to "pick on the president" in another country? That narrative makes no rational sense.

Central America Refugee Crisis - UNHCR

Asylum in the United States From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Desperate Central American refugees cross into Mexico from river - The Guardian

Today’s Migrant Flow Is Different - The Atlantic


Woah, your argument there makes no rational sense. I didn't mention Trump or claim that they made the journey just to pick on someone. Just asking if they only qualify as economic refugees, and if they're treated the same under international treaties regarding refugees, because I don't believe that they are.

I'm sorry if the words 'only economic refugees' offends you, but it's a legitimate question.


Sorry, someone in a previous post had suggested that the whole border issue was the Dems trying to embarrass Trump. It was an example of 'excuseism'.

The other point I was making is that the asylum seekers are fleeing from situations of violence and systematic oppression. They are also fleeing from situations of starvation used as a political control method.

When you argue that economic refugees are different than other refugees it is like you are implying that they had sustainable incomes and just want a wage rise, which is absolutely NOT the case here. As the Atlantic article pointed out, they are legitimate refugees and are trying to escape from economic oppression, too.

The US doesn't accept asylum seekers on specific economic grounds, but it could be argued that being a subject of economic oppression would render an applicant applicable for refugee or asylum.

edit on 25/12/2018 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: MikeA

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: MikeA

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: seattlerat

It is obscene that children are in custody in the first place.

The political system under the Dems is just as much to blame as the system under the Reps. Their systematic and inhumane treatment of people indicates the true evil that underlies their actions.

Both sides pointing the finger of blame at each other does nothing. The unjust laws need to be overturned.

So these kids crossing our borders should be what, put into foster care? Only take the adults into custody? Or did you just say that with no clue as to how it SHOULD be handled? Sorry if that question bothers you, but I get tired of hearing someone complain about how things are done but offer no ideas for how it should be done. So if you don't think they should be taken in with the parents, what should we do?


It is wrong to hold children in custody. Despite the difficulty about how you resolve it, Taking the moral low-ground and making excuses is also wrong.

If Americans love liberty, they seem to dispense it very selectively.

The percentage of incarcerated people and the total numbers of incarcerated people in the US is the highest in the world, bar none. America has a problem with liberty, it was founded on liberty as a hope but it has become the country with the least liberty in the world.

Yes, it's hard, but the solution isn't to place more and more people in custody, including children, and then to excuse it as if it weren't entirely against the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Here's an idea, how about you simply dissolve the border fortifications and do a deal with the Mex government to allow free travel but with a requirement that Mexico allow social, policing and legal integration with the US?

You could also apply special taxation for migrants (as Mexico could do as well) to ensure that any financial instability is compensated adequately.

America united previously to become the United States. Why not keep going until the natural borders, like the oceans, are the true borders and the current 'Americas' become America?

Oh I see. Out chasing rainbows again?? So if we just opened the border and let people come and go as they please everyone would come here and make a bee line to whatever office is set up for the purpose of collecting their information so that they can be charged those taxes you mentioned when they get a job? And I guess we should open the doors to the prisons and let them all out, because we have a lot of criminals?? You're right we do have more people in prison in this country than any other in the world. The reason for that is simple, it's not a punishment, it's a country club. You can ask any hard core criminal they will tell you that American prisons are a joke. You can't do this, you can't do that because it might upset some child molester or mass murderer. Oh my God they might become uncomfortable. Have you ever seen what prison life is like in say Russia? There's no common areas, no phones or TVs. You sit in your cell all day period. If you leave your cell you do so in cuffs with your arms forced up to bend you over and have a dog at your heels. Two guards hold your arms up and walk you to wherever and put you in another box, and never move more than one person at a time. If you even say anything violent to a guard they will break your arms throwing you to the ground if they have to. It's a prison for the purpose of punishment. We can't have that here because the bleeding hearts would go nuts. Of course those same bleeding hearts also complain about the all the crime and someone, else, should do something about it.


So, that excuses everything?

Consume, be silent & die. You are doing well.




posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: MikeA

originally posted by: dfnj2015
I think it's a shame. Maybe US customs needs a few hearing in DC to make sure they are not doing their jobs poorly. Whether it's abortion or small babies from another country I don't like it when the country murders babies.

Yes they should because that guy taking care of himself and not his child is clearly CBPs fault. This kid did not go from healthy, to sick, to dead in the few hours (Not days) that he was with CBP.


There's corruption in every level of government. I don't understand why people are so trusting of government. We need hearings to make sure there's no police corruption going on.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: projectvxn
Propaganda.

That is all this is.

.


A kid died.

It’s not propaganda.

Please don’t be so blinded by your politics that you will trivialise the death of a child.



This is the second such story used by the MSM to bash the BP and to be used as a political weapon. Because what is the narrative? That we're heartless and evil for not having open borders.

Yeah a kid died. Now the story is a football. Second time this has been used like this. Same titles in headlines, same BS accusations, same political inferences.


edit on 25 12 18 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

No it is not obscene that kids are in custody, unless you suggest that we release children to their own recognizance? Maybe let 'em loose in the streets of America and never check whether the adults they're with are even the actual parents?



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

this is all fabricated in your mental head.

the report is that a person died and the cause is still unknown.

its not likely the child died because of conditions at the border.

youre making it that way in your mental head and defending it.

its simply negative press at a time when border security is being debated, its its not the first time a person dies at/on the border.

your alarm bells is to keep your favorite number 45 safe despite no mention of him in the articles covering this



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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Seems people are missing a major point of this event...the child was brought and treated in a US hospital using the best medical treatment in the world.
I would've complained had they let the child die alone with his father.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 06:46 PM
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damm obama.




posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 06:49 PM
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your alarm bells is to keep your favorite number 45 safe despite no mention of him in the articles covering this


There was no mention of him in my post.

But I know a misleading headline when I see one.

The MSM did the same thing with a 7-year-old girl. Allowed it to be used as a political football to demonize Border Patrol and US immigration policy. Blamed BP for having had it happen while in their custody, and later it was discovered she died of sepsis.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 06:52 PM
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The positive side is: this kids parents still are NOT going to be automatically granted asylum or citizenship. No matter how loud any lib screeches. Back to Guatemala, sorry.



posted on Dec, 25 2018 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
While it may be wrong to traipse kids across deserts


it may?
you don't say.


originally posted by: chr0naut
it is also wrong for the kids to stay where they are and die of starvation



originally posted by: MikeA
The $1000 phone and the $8000 per person they paid the drug cartel's. For that father and son he paid $16000 or more depending on how far you have to go. Gee I'm sorry you're so poor. Maybe use some of that money to take care of your kid. My daughter who joined the CBP over a year ago now told me about a woman with 2 kids coming from China paid $32000 EACH to come here. That's $96000 paid to the cartel's by someone who is so poor their kids are starving, REALLY?


it is wrong for those kids to starve. how about blaming their parents?

they have the money, they just choose to spend it on crossing the border illegally, instead of feeding their children. all that combined results in deaths that could be avoided.

the thing is, the blame is 100% on parents. unless a proof is provided that it's the border patrol that is to blame, even suggesting that the US is to blame ("kid died in US custody") is pure propaganda, no matter how you look at it. wether it'll be used by some to blame one or another party, that's another thing - but this is a foundation for such accusations to take place.

foundation that is simply wrong, because those parents are idiots. no matter how you slice it, if they have that kind of money for the trip, they should be able to take care of their kid's health during that trip. of course, you can try to blame the border patrol, but you better have proof for that, otherwise you're playing a dangerous, political game.


originally posted by: projectvxn
The MSM did the same thing with a 7-year-old girl. Allowed it to be used as a political football to demonize Border Patrol and US immigration policy. Blamed BP for having had it happen while in their custody, and later it was discovered she died of sepsis.


got any proof this is anything else than that, chr0naut?

people die - or kill others - due to their own stupidity, all the time. those parents should be given a choice: cross the border, and your kid will be taken away from you, while you'll be treated like a criminal and sent back, or GTFO.




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