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Obamacare Thrown Out by Judge (Unconstitutional), Raising Insurance Uncertainty

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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:30 PM
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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: 10uoutlaw




Sorry , the dems own obamacare top to bottom .


Sorry, the ACA mandate is taken directly of the Heritage Foundation health care plan promoted by Republicans and Mitt Romney, during his presidential run against Obama.


The funny thing is that it was the Republicans who came up with the idea in the first, as first described by Stuart Butler in a publication for the very conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989. And what group took the lead in pushing for the federal government shutdown in order to stop Obamacare? The Heritage Foundation’s political arm, Heritage Action.
Here’s the cover of Heritage’s 1989 publication:



americablog.com...



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: 10uoutlaw


Both parties need to find a solution that helps all americans

Nice dream... not reality.

Until there's some common sense being talked about, my response is the same one Obamacare said to me: tough patooties kiddos.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: schuyler




my rates tripled

Mine didn't.


It seems y old insurance, with which I was perfectly happy, weren't "good enough" for the new mandates.
Good thing you never had cancer.


Cancer was covered prior. You rarely make assumptions, Phage. What's wrong?



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Good.




Not really much more I can add.



*yay*



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:34 PM
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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: Phage

You do realize that Obamacare was as Textbook Fascism (merger of state & corporate power, centrally mandated) as a policy could possibly get.

And when you remove proper competition, completely, that's as close to all the robberbarron stereotypes about the dark side of capitalism as it gets.

You do realize that right?



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:37 PM
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Cancer was covered prior.

Clarification required.
1) You could have obtained coverage at the rate you were paying if you had been diagnosed with cancer prior to coverage?
2) Your premium (or terms) would not change at any time if you had been been diagnosed with cancer after coverage?

That would have been an exceptional plan. I can see reason for your protestations to the ACA, but you would be in the minority in having such a policy.

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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
The ACA did not remove competition in the medical insurance market.

It could be argued, in fact, that it helped to level the playing field by specifying required coverage and conditions. True, some providers could not compete on a level field.

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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Clarification required: insurance companies are not charities. If your costs are more than your premiums, they don't want you.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:43 PM
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So nobody got locked into providers, whether the insurance providers or the care providers themselves? It was just total horizontal rainbows and puppydogs for all?

The insurance providers in the face of KNOWING everyone MUST pay them they were just totally under pressure to deliver competitive rates etc packages, improve services, and all that?
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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Understood.

So if you're sick, # off.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


Nope. From your link:

Technically, the GOP tax bill doesn’t repeal the individual mandate, Corlette says; it simply reduces the penalty for going uncovered to zero, But in practice, eliminating the penalty will have the same result as eliminating the individual mandate altogether.


What Trump's EO did:


The part of Trump’s executive order that directs the secretary to “waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation” of pieces of the law is probably the most worrisome component for supporters of Obamacare. The irony of that component is that it rests on precedent set by the Obama administration, which used executive and regulatory power liberally to make the law work in the face of Republican opposition.
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Depending on how far it takes hardship exemptions and relaxation of minimum-benefits plans, the administration could easily weaken the individual mandate just enough to provide whispers of death spirals, especially since it cannot touch the requirement for insurers to cover people with pre-existing conditions. These actions don’t have to kill the mandate to work; they just have to weaken it enough to shake insurers’ and consumers faith in the markets. If insurers and healthy enrollees exit the marketplaces, then premiums will skyrocket for sicker patients—if they have any available insurers left.
www.theatlantic.com...

Like I said, Trump and the Republicans OWN the fall out from this. And, it won't be pretty either.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Insurers make deals with providers to reduce costs, yes. Thus, "networks."

Is that your point?



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:48 PM
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Because you say so right?

Funny in this very thread we're bound to hear reports from people that their rates went up and services went down.

AND:
The insurance providers in the face of KNOWING everyone MUST pay them they were just totally under pressure to deliver competitive rates etc packages, improve services, and all that? THat's how it works at the DMV, the city water company, the power company, etc, right? Call them on a Saturday tell me how it goes!


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posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:50 PM
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I'd rather have affordable healthcare than health insurance.

When does that get discussed?



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:51 PM
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Because you say so right?
No. Because that's the way it works with medical networks.


Funny in this very thread we're bound to hear reports from people that their rates went up and services went down.
Rates went up, no doubt. Deductibles too, in many cases. Coverage dropping? No.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: 10uoutlaw
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Sorry , the dems own obamacare top to bottom . No republican has a yes vote on the original law. That's where the nuclear option came from . The republicans also failed to repeal it and Trump is the one who used an EO to get rid of the penalty . Blame both parties for the mess we are in , just fix the damn thing .


Actually one republican did vote for it.
Just sayin....


The ACA got zero Republican votes.

Look it up.



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Xcathdra




Only because of the mandate (became a tax law). In case you are unaware the President cant create nor pass congressional legislation. Only Congress can and in this case both parties voted.


They didn't vote to remove the mandate. That was done by Trump through an EO. Trump and the Republicans alone own the fall out from this. And, it's the red states that will feel the pain the most.


It wasn't an EO.

It was repealed as part of the tax legislation in 2017.

😎



posted on Dec, 14 2018 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: 10uoutlaw
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Sorry , the dems own obamacare top to bottom . No republican has a yes vote on the original law. That's where the nuclear option came from . The republicans also failed to repeal it and Trump is the one who used an EO to get rid of the penalty . Blame both parties for the mess we are in , just fix the damn thing .


Actually one republican did vote for it.
Just sayin....


The ACA got zero Republican votes.

Look it up.



Maybe you should look that up buddy.
one republican did vote yes on the original bill.



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