The New Year Starts Before Christmas

Many people call December 21st 'the shortest day' or some 'the longest night' . Some call it the Winter Solstice , and others The Winter Equinox

What they don't tend to call it is 'The New Year' , but that's exactly what it is .

None of the animals or plants wait for a calendar date at 12 o clock to celebrate the new beginning , but listen when it comes and you will hear the birds singing gladly on this day .

We don't need to be Pagans or some other subverts to a belief system to celebrate the true new year . It's far better to just know that you're on a planet that circles the sun . This year just take a moment to just stand and observe that fact . You don't need Christmas or a New Years Party to gain hope and inspiration for the rising seasons which follow the returning light and heat which nurtures all .

When I've said 'happy new year' to people on this day , they've often said 'what?'

And it shows just how much we've become separated from the planet we live on , and the very reality we engage in without thought to it's processes .
Each new year is a very important part of life for all things . Think of the growth which comes with spring . But now we've lost step and we're not in tune with reality . If we were the subsisting farmers of old , the turn of the year would be best day of it , that the gathering down would lead to the unfolding . But the fireworks go off late , the drinks are tardy the toasts are empty , the truth redundant for now .

One day the true new year will matter again .

Does this need to be accounted for on astrology charts to get a true reading?

Happy New Christmas to you DoctorBluechip

originally posted by: DoctorBluechip
Many people call December 21st 'the shortest day' or some 'the longest night' . Some call it the Winter Solstice , and others The Winter Equinox

Well actually, many people in the southern hemisphere tend to refer to the 21st of December as the longest day, or the shortest night.

Or the summer solstice.

originally posted by: CosmicAwakening
Does this need to be accounted for on astrology charts to get a true reading?

a true reading on astrology charts? Lol....lol.....hahaha....AAAhhhhAaaaa

originally posted by: DoctorBluechip
And it shows just how much we've become separated from the planet we live on , and the very reality we engage in without thought to it's processes .

Seems a bit hyperbolic considering there's only 10 days difference.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

If the Winter Solstice is the shortest day of the year, does that make the Summer Solstice the "tallest" day of the year?


Asking for a friend.

For normal people, the Equinox is a Spring and Fall occurrence and is different from a solstice.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Hmmm... First, there is a very big difference between a solstice and an equinox. Solstices are the extreme (northern and southern) points of the sun's position relative to earth. The equinoxes are the midpoint between the extreme points. So anyone calling it the winter equinox is just wrong.

But why do you believe the winter solstice should be the real "new" year. And do you take into account that the seasonal significance of the solstices and equinoxes are opposite for the northern and southern hemispheres? In other words, the northern hemisphere's "spring" is the southern hemisphere's "winter," and so on.

For example, some people/cultures believe the spring equinox represents the new year because that's when life is born/reborn. Spring is the season of generation and regeneration and life itself. Whereas winter represents death and the end of life as the flora and fauna go dormant or hibernate.

So what's your logic and reasoning for the winter solstice marking the new year?

I will celebrate twice then.

Once for you, once for the heathens.

Both times I’ll be in bed before 11pm!

a reply to: Boadicea

Seems fairly simple to me, the winter solstice represents the end of one cycle and the beginning of another.

Yes, December 21st would technically be the start of the new year. But because it was a pagan holiday they could not have it in a Christian society so they moved it. Christmas day was not the day of Christs birth either, If I remember, it was around September or October, but some say it was in the spring. Either way, no snow would have been around the area he was born at.

Traditionally the Spring Equinox i the beginning of the new year. You know, "the Resurrection" and Easter when Jesus "came again."

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Boadicea

Seems fairly simple to me, the winter solstice represents the end of one cycle and the beginning of another.

So does the other solstice... And as do the equinoxes. Each one represents the beginning and end of a cycle... And all are parts of greater cycles.

Technically speaking, the winter solstice represents the end of the life cycle... That time of the cycle when life ends or goes dormant or hibernates.

So how is that considered a beginning rather than an end?

There is no beginning. There is no end. All days are just points on a continuous cycle, so why don't we just pick a random day (say... a good friend's birthday or something) and call it good?


Oh, wait...

The winter solstice is the technical beginning of winter, even though the days will become longer after that. With the way the cold weather takes some time to catch up, the coldest months in our northern hemisphere are January and February. Even given that, I've been hearing about how meteorologists have a different date for the beginning of winter, a little earlier I believe.

From my perspective, winter solstice is the beginning of a new solar year, December 19th is the feast day of St Nicholas, Christmas as celebrated is actually Saturnalia, Christ's birthday is in the spring (likely sometime in June) and Easter is actually Easter. In addition, the sabbath day starts Friday evening and ends Saturday evening with Sunday being the first day of the week. IMO that is the closest you can get to the actual dates for these holidays.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: CosmicAwakening
Does this need to be accounted for on astrology charts to get a true reading?

a true reading on astrology charts? Lol....lol.....hahaha....AAAhhhhAaaaa

Umm not the silly online ones or the ones on the back of your restaurant menu. There is meaning behind true astrology.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: DoctorBluechip

If the Winter Solstice is the shortest day of the year, does that make the Summer Solstice the "tallest" day of the year?


Asking for a friend.

At the summer solstice with the sun closer to you, you wouldn't need to be as tall to touch the sun as you would in the winter, so really, the winter solstice should be the tallest day.

originally posted by: CosmicAwakening

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: CosmicAwakening
Does this need to be accounted for on astrology charts to get a true reading?

a true reading on astrology charts? Lol....lol.....hahaha....AAAhhhhAaaaa

Umm not the silly online ones or the ones on the back of your restaurant menu. There is meaning behind true astrology.

how is that?

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

What about the southern hemisphere? Why not the Summer solstice as the start of a new year? Is the new year different in the northern and southern hemispheres?

It's all subjective right?

Or is the northern hemisphere dominant and lords over the southern? I'm so confused