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Locked and Loaded on the Border...

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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 12:35 AM
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originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: Phage

They are relying on a Presidential directive issued to the Military.

P

Signed by the chief of staff?



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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 12:56 AM
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Trump's proclamation is in direct conflict with the law which says anyone may apply for asylum, regardless of status or location.

Illegal aliens without documentation are not granted any right to "avail themselves of our asylum system." That is a privilege instituted by Congress which, per Congress, is under direct supervision and control by the Executive branch of government. The effect of Judge Tigar's ruling that there is some sort of right to cross the border in direct opposition to laws passed by Congress, requires expanded military intervention now to enforce the border. That is not a good thing, Phage.

Congress makes the laws; the Executive enforces them. Trump is enforcing laws as best he can under the laws passed by Congress. One of those laws is that it is illegal to cross the border at locations not deemed ports of entry.

A Federal judge in Hawaii just vacated that law without consideration. Who makes the laws again?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 12:56 AM
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Who does the Chief of Staff work for again?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 12:58 AM
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Who does the Chief of Staff work for again?

The president.

Does that mean I can sign a contract for my boss?


How about that "port of entry" thing?

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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:00 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TheRedneck




Who does the Chief of Staff work for again?

The president.

Does that mean I can sign a contract for my boss?


Yes, if he allows it.

Do you believe that the President has to sign every single contract for the entire Federal Government?

P



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:01 AM
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Do you believe that the President has to sign every single contract for the entire Federal Government?

If it involves being the Commander in Chief rather than the chief of staff, I would hope so.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: Phage

They are relying on a Presidential directive issued to the Military.

P

Signed by the chief of staff?


No! The President issued the Directive weeks ago when he sent the Military to the border.

This is not you being obtuse, you know the facts here well.

Disingenuous much?

P



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:03 AM
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The effect of Judge Tigar's ruling that there is some sort of right to cross the border
No.


The law says "whether or not at a designated port of arrival." The president's proclamation is in direct conflict.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:04 AM
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No! The President issued the Directive weeks ago when he sent the Military to the border.

What did that directive entail?

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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:05 AM
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Does that mean I can sign a contract for my boss?

You can as a company representative if your boss approves it.

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:06 AM
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The law says "whether or not at a designated port of arrival." The president's proclamation is in direct conflict.

The law also says the Secretary of Homeland Security makes the final determination. Why are you ignoring that?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:09 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Phage


The law says "whether or not at a designated port of arrival." The president's proclamation is in direct conflict.

The law also says the Secretary of Homeland Security makes the final determination. Why are you ignoring that?

TheRedneck

The law says that the Secretary of Homeland Security may grant asylum.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:13 AM
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You can as a company representative if your boss approves it.

No. I cannot.
I am not an officer of the corporation. I can't sign the 941s either.


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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:18 AM
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An organised group of mostly young men, 1000’s strong, waving the flag of a foreign country all the while marching on yours telling you flat out that they are coming to illegally cross your borders.
What would you define that as?

So by the sounds of it you are not against this at all, you’re Just highlighting that Trump can’t do what people say Trumps trying to do?

Is HE saying that he will somehow bypass congress or is HE saying that this is what congress needs to do and as usual the media has flipped it?



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:19 AM
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I think Congress needs to do something about our immigration laws.
Because, obviously, they don't work.
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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:20 AM
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Obama and "his pen" became the blueprint for future Presidents who wanted to get things done.



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:21 AM
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Yeah. Everything bad is Obama's fault.

Got it.

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posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:28 AM
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Does it say he must grant asylum?

TheRedneck



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:29 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

I think Congress needs to do something about our immigration laws.
Because, obviously, they don't work.


Very diplomatic, are you a politician hahaha

I’ll star that because I can’t disagree with it and I can’t see how anyone else could either.

Touché



posted on Nov, 22 2018 @ 01:31 AM
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Do you have a short attention span?
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