Data From a Dead Satellite Reveals Lost Continents Under Antarctica

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: LookingAtMars

The reminds of a advance civilization perhaps, perhaps we are not the first round of humans to go around.

It is quite self centered IMHO to think that is not possible.

Nice, good to have that info on it finally. I'd say lots of caves, wonder how many of what's flourishing in them!


Antarctica’s Hidden Caves Could Be Home to 'New World' of Plants and Animals

The cave systems underneath the Antarctic ice could be home to an “exciting new world” of plants and animals. After analyzing DNA retrieved from a cave system underneath the Ross Island volcano Mount Erebus, scientists at the Australia National University found samples that could not be fully identified—pointing to the presence of unidentified species living in the subglacial terrains.

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a reply to: LookingAtMars
What would they use as their energy source if there isn´t any light?

The only known plants which grow without photosynthesis are called parasites and saprophytes. But since parasites need another plant host that runs on photosynthesis it leaves us with saprophytes.

They feast on dead organic matter. Those are fungi and molds for example.

a reply to: RAY1990

star for you from me and thank you for your input

originally posted by: LookingAtMars


Antarctica is one of the great mysteries of our time. What is under that ice ATS?

Dragons

a reply to: LookingAtMars

P band SAR uses a super stable 415 MHZ frequency to detect Biomass under a forest canopy.
The old Atomic clocks based on the Mercury seven Ion optical clock standard were about 100 times more accurate.
The uncertainty there was the magnitude of the quadrupole shift due to the interaction of stray electric-field gradients with the quadrupole moment of the ion.

I learned about the Mercury Ion standard back in the early 1960's with the Lawrence Welk show playing on the Black and white TV in the background, but my grandfather who home schooled me talked about it as though it was much older.

The Black Knight Satellite probably used the Emmeline structure technology that dates back 14,000 years for communicating to Earth with limited bandwidth. You could probably use stable clock multipliers locally but if you were out of synch with an area 51 receiver by even a tiny bit you might lose contact with your bird.

originally posted by: Dr UAE
cool theory, but personally I doubt that there was intelligent life form back then.

and I would like to say that looking at the short clip, I noticed that earth stayed the same size when the tectonics were moving chunks of land mass away from each other, this doesn't make sense to me because I believe that this motion should have made earth expand in size, therefore earth should have grown bigger in the process, just a thought.

Subduction zones take care of the excess crust.

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: LookingAtMars
What would they use as their energy source if there isn´t any light?

The only known plants which grow without photosynthesis are called parasites and saprophytes. But since parasites need another plant host that runs on photosynthesis it leaves us with saprophytes.

They feast on dead organic matter. Those are fungi and molds for example.

Volcanic vents, like the black smokers found in the deep waters off Monterey Bay.

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: LookingAtMars
What would they use as their energy source if there isn´t any light?

The only known plants which grow without photosynthesis are called parasites and saprophytes. But since parasites need another plant host that runs on photosynthesis it leaves us with saprophytes.

They feast on dead organic matter. Those are fungi and molds for example.

Life has traditionally been seen as driven by energy from the sun, but deep-sea organisms have no access to sunlight, so they must depend on nutrients found in the dusty chemical deposits and hydrothermal fluids in which they live. Previously, benthic oceanographers assumed that vent organisms were dependent on marine snow, as deep-sea organisms are. This would leave them dependent on plant life and thus the sun. Some hydrothermal vent organisms do consume this "rain", but with only such a system, life forms would be very sparse. Compared to the surrounding sea floor, however, hydrothermal vent zones have a density of organisms 10,000 to 100,000 times greater. Hydrothermal vent communities are able to sustain such vast amounts of life because vent organisms depend on chemosynthetic bacteria for food. The water from the hydrothermal vent is rich in dissolved minerals and supports a large population of chemoautotrophic bacteria. These bacteria use sulfur compounds, particularly hydrogen sulfide, a chemical highly toxic to most known organisms, to produce organic material through the process of chemosynthesis. The ecosystem so formed is reliant upon the continued existence of the hydrothermal vent field as the primary source of energy, which differs from most surface life on Earth, which is based on solar energy. However, although it is often said that these communities exist independently of the sun, some of the organisms are actually dependent upon oxygen produced by photosynthetic organisms, while others are anaerobic.

Hydrothermal vent

Chemosynthesis

In biochemistry, chemosynthesis is the biological conversion of one or more carbon-containing molecules (usually carbon dioxide or methane) and nutrients into organic matter using the oxidation of inorganic compounds (e.g., hydrogen gas, hydrogen sulfide) or methane as a source of energy, rather than sunlight, as in photosynthesis. Chemoautotrophs, organisms that obtain carbon through chemosynthesis, are phylogenetically diverse, but also groups that include conspicuous or biogeochemically-important taxa include the sulfur-oxidizing gamma and epsilon proteobacteria, the Aquificae, the methanogenic archaea and the neutrophilic iron-oxidizing bacteria. Many microorganisms in dark regions of the oceans use chemosynthesis to produce biomass from single carbon molecules. Two categories can be distinguished. In the rare sites at which hydrogen molecules (H2) are available, the energy available from the reaction between CO2 and H2 (leading to production of methane, CH4) can be large enough to drive the production of biomass. Alternatively, in most oceanic environments, energy for chemosynthesis derives from reactions in which substances such as hydrogen sulfide or ammonia are oxidized. This may occur with or without the presence of oxygen. Many chemosynthetic microorganisms are consumed by other organisms in the ocean, and symbiotic associations between chemosynthesizers and respiring heterotrophs are quite common. Large populations of animals can be supported by chemosynthetic secondary production at hydrothermal vents, methane clathrates, cold seeps, whale falls, and isolated cave water. It has been hypothesized that chemosynthesis may support life below the surface of Mars, Jupiter's moon Europa, and other planets.[1] Chemosynthesis may have also been the first type of metabolism that evolved on Earth, leading the way for cellular respiration and photosynthesis to develop later.

There could be methane being produced from decaying organic matter. That could be a source of energy too.

originally posted by: dreamingawake
Nice, good to have that info on it finally. I'd say lots of caves, wonder how many of what's flourishing in them!


Antarctica’s Hidden Caves Could Be Home to 'New World' of Plants and Animals

The cave systems underneath the Antarctic ice could be home to an “exciting new world” of plants and animals. After analyzing DNA retrieved from a cave system underneath the Ross Island volcano Mount Erebus, scientists at the Australia National University found samples that could not be fully identified—pointing to the presence of unidentified species living in the subglacial terrains.

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Imagine what could be in the long forgotten caves deep under the ice. Thanks for posting that.

originally posted by: Nickn3

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: LookingAtMars
What would they use as their energy source if there isn´t any light?

The only known plants which grow without photosynthesis are called parasites and saprophytes. But since parasites need another plant host that runs on photosynthesis it leaves us with saprophytes.

They feast on dead organic matter. Those are fungi and molds for example.

Volcanic vents, like the black smokers found in the deep waters off Monterey Bay.

You beat me to it, took too long to add the pics

originally posted by: Cauliflower
a reply to: LookingAtMars

P band SAR uses a super stable 415 MHZ frequency to detect Biomass under a forest canopy.
The old Atomic clocks based on the Mercury seven Ion optical clock standard were about 100 times more accurate.
The uncertainty there was the magnitude of the quadrupole shift due to the interaction of stray electric-field gradients with the quadrupole moment of the ion.

I learned about the Mercury Ion standard back in the early 1960's with the Lawrence Welk show playing on the Black and white TV in the background, but my grandfather who home schooled me talked about it as though it was much older.

The Black Knight Satellite probably used the Emmeline structure technology that dates back 14,000 years for communicating to Earth with limited bandwidth. You could probably use stable clock multipliers locally but if you were out of synch with an area 51 receiver by even a tiny bit you might lose contact with your bird.

I wish I understood more of that, thanks for posting it.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

That'd be a good place to start, yes.

...and time, itself. It's been many, many millions of years, 30+ million of 'em, since there's been no ice.

Not saying there won't be anything at all, just not a whole lot...

originally posted by: watchitburn
The Great Old Ones sleep beneath the ice.

Can't say you didn't try to warn them


en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: LookingAtMars

Antarctica is one of the great mysteries of our time. What is under that ice ATS?

Here's a little myth and fantasy to add to the mystery.

The Chained up Norse gods Loki and Fenrir. The Book of Enoch bad angels Azazyel, Samyaza, Amazarak, Armers, Barkayal, Akibeel, Tamiel and Asaradel.

"And when all their [Watchers] sons shall be slain, when they shall see the perdition of their beloved, bind them for seventy generations underneath the earth, even to the day of judgment, and of consummation, until the judgment, the effect of which will last for ever, be completed." - 1 Enoch

Here's one of the latest treats out of Antarctica. An enormous rectangular iceberg.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Dr UAE

It happens over huge lengths of time, in laymen's terms basically what happens when two plates collide is one will be pushed under the other. The plate pushed under the other is "recycled" and generally pushes up the plate it's colliding with, usually some distance from the collision zone. The Andes mountain range is a great example.
To add: we can't discount volcanoes either, if subduction occurs it'll alter the pressure under the crust. Subduction zones tend to have volcanoes, the ring of fire comes to mind.

It's a bit more complicated than that though, there's a lot more too it. Like for instance continental crust is 5-10x thicker than oceanic crust but oceanic crust is a lot more dense. Worth looking up if you have the time, there's plenty of science to back up the theory.

Fastest moving tectonic plates are moving at 5mm/year, 1 meter/20 years, 1 km/20,000 years. That alone is enough to squash rivers, lakes and natural dams. 1000 km/20 million years. In just 100 million years, a tectonic plate could move from the North pole to the equator. Then the Earth seems to rebalance the rotation axis so that the largest land masses are at the equator.

originally posted by: watchitburn
The Great Old Ones sleep beneath the ice.

There arses are locked in and buried because they were victims of a Vlar Global Continental Displacement Wave which happens in hours.We hear it called Noahs Flood.

The questions.

1) Why are they looking?

2) What are they looking for?

3) What could be found?

The answers.

1) Because of money.

2) To find and exploit resources.

3) Oil, coal and a host of other minerals.

Economic resources Exploration for resources Antarctica, it has been suggested, may have become a continent for science because it was useful for nothing else. Certainly, the great success of the Antarctic Treaty and of the political experiment in international cooperation is in no small way attributable to the fact that exploitable mineral resources have not been found. Articles of the original treaty (signed in 1959; entered into force in 1961) did not exclude economic activities, but neither did they set up jurisdictional procedures in the event that any were undertaken (see below History).

Antarctica - Economic resources

a reply to: watchitburn

CHUTULU CALLS!

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

While I never put it past any corporation to do any and everything possible to increase revenues and thus profit, I don't think the information in this particular study will be of use in those endeavors. This is mainly because of the fact that the information in the study deals with the regions of the earth at which the mantle and the crust interact. Those depths are far too extreme to be applicable to mineral extraction.

What this study does show is that there seems to be a fairly significant difference between West Antarctica and East Antarctica at the depths where the mantle and the cratons interact.

Here is the study the article is based upon:
Earth tectonics as seen by GOCE - Enhanced satellite gravity gradient imaging

In remote frontiers like the Antarctic continent, where even basic knowledge of lithospheric scale features remains incomplete, the curvature images help unveil the heterogeneity in lithospheric structure, e.g. between the composite East Antarctic Craton and the West Antarctic Rift System.

Much of what we know of the structure if the mantle comes from analyzing seismic data from earthquakes and then taking that information and running it through complex calculations to infer what the mantle looks like. This data comes from direct observation of seismic signals as recorded by seismometers all over the globe. Antarctica has very few seisimometers situated directly upon rock due to the ice sheets covering the continent and so indirect observations have to take their place.

GOCE measurements fill a crucial gap in the spectral range between higher altitude missions, such as the GRACE mission, and near-surface measurements1
...
Overall, we show that the curvature components of GOCE have significant potential for augmenting seismological imaging of the Earth’s lithosphere, e.g. to aid investigations of different cratonic regions, and for studying the lithosphere of the least understood continent on Earth, Antarctica.

Another thing that makes me think that this study won't be o much use to those looking to exploit the region econimcally is the resolution at which these instruments measure:

Due to their resolution of 80 km, the satellite gravity gradients provide a tool to link global and large-scale regional studies in a more consistent manner. Such models based on the integration of different geophysical observables are a necessary step before advancing into detailed, local interpretation for which higher-resolution data as available from aerogeophysical or terrestrial measurements.

Granted, the information in this study could eventually be used for such purposes, however those outcomes are in need of much more refinements which would be made possible by direct observation.