Why doesn't Feminism promote non-sexualization of women - dump the stilleto's & makeup?

How many celebrity women would even be popular or famous withouth their mask of colored whale fat on their face? I thought feminism was to show that women weren't to be objectified as sex objects but it seems that the total opposite is happeneing. They are using their fake sexual "power" to dupe the retards (sorry, that is what they are) who can't see through this mask. Half of these women are totally hideous w/o their makup and I know MANY women much more beautiful than these super stars without their makeup, and I would guess they would be even more "attractive" if they used the same techniques as these fake women. It's nothing but smoke and mirrors meant to decieve. Men (real ones) don't do this, they have to rely on natural looks to make it in the world.

Long ago, it is said that either aliens or female "cults" showed other women how to control men by using makeup in certain ways to distract and even confuse the "eye" as to what they were seeing. This was the beginning of using makeup by the masses (or at least elites) many thousands of years ago, and when it became "affordable" the unwashed masses copied their elite's they idolized.

I think the same thing of high heels and stilleto's. What is the point? how is this empowering women, isn't it only sexualizing and objectifying them?

There is nothing worse than thinking you have met a really beautiful woman and then realizing that it is all a lie when you see them w/o makeup. It's totally false advertising and is the epitome of how fake this progressive feminism is. If I bought a car that looked like it had a perfect paint job & body work (no scratches/ dents/ etc) and after it was put through a car wash it looks like it went through a demolition derby, I'd feel cheated - that's about the same with women and massive amounts of makeup.

Now for those women who wear moderate amount, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking about those who wear layers of foundation and you don't ever see any natural surface, just a mask of colored animal fat smeared across their face (and they are probably vegan as well...) The irony.

Ummmmmm animal fat!! Can’t hid a hot body, but I’m superficial

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof

If I bought a car that looked like it had a perfect paint job & body work (no scratches/ dents/ etc) and after it was put through a car wash it looks like it went through a demolition derby, I'd feel cheated - that's about the same with women and massive amounts of makeup.

With the car, I can get a factory service manual and fix it. Worst case, I could just scrap it and get some money back.

Ah, the wishful thinking that conjures ...

"Yes, that's right. I have a Labyrinth model Jennifer Connelly that I would like to restore to original factory conditions. I need a new voice module and skin tone and hair color charts for that year ..."

originally posted by: WUNK22
Ummmmmm animal fat!! Can’t hid a hot body, but I’m superficial

do you not know what most of the really expensive makeup is made from, even today?

Maybe I misunderstood your post...

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

I think I should make it clear also, that I think men are also to blame (IDK how the blame is split % wise) in this situation for giving girls the attention they seek when they dress and or act in certain ways. The problem is that women often target young or weak men with their sexuality/looks where a strong man who knows to see through this isn't drawn in by this superficial issues. That is not to say that neither sex can appreciate or admire attractive people but when it is solely based upon deception, that is a different story, and when that deception is used to get free things (often in exchange for sex) it devalues both parties more than they can see.

Looking back at my college years the girls I remember most fondly were also the most beautiful, smart and "modest" in the way they dressed, they didn't dress like prudes, they had style but they weren't "slutty" and promiscuous. I know most of my friends felt similarly about them and most all of them looked at these women as their ideal partner should they be "lucky enough" for that to happen. There was a totally different mindset between these women and the "painted whores" (not all of them were true whores, but many had the look and behavior of such to get the attention they were seeking) and the guys treated these girls differently and thought of them completely differently as well. It really came down to a level of self respect and that same respect was mirrored back to these women, if not more so because it takes a lot of character to ignore what is popular or trendy and what provides "quick payback" in exchange for a more difficult route.

That girl in that video is just in denial about her actions and I would venture to guess that she may have a different view in 20-40 years if she is still around by then.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

I agree.



No clown face November!

The use of makeup and dress (stilettos as your example) IS to sexualize- in the basest form it is to attract a mate.

Of course many women claim that has nothing to do with why they doll themselves up- but psychologically it is. I am married and have no interest in picking up another mate, yet I still like to look nice. Fixing my hair and painting my face usually helps me feel better about myself.

That being said, a very wise woman once told me that women don’t get fancy for men, they do it to out do each other....

Jordan Peterson addresses this somewhat in an interview he did with (I think) Vice.

originally posted by: chelsdh
The use of makeup and dress (stilettos as your example) IS to sexualize- in the basest form it is to attract a mate.

Of course many women claim that has nothing to do with why they doll themselves up- but psychologically it is. I am married and have no interest in picking up another mate, yet I still like to look nice. Fixing my hair and painting my face usually helps me feel better about myself.

That being said, a very wise woman once told me that women don’t get fancy for men, they do it to out do each other....
Jordan Peterson addresses this somewhat in an interview he did with (I think) Vice.

I agree that a lot of it has to do with competing with other women, because it comes down to who will get more attention from men. If 10 girls were getting together for a slumber party would they get dolled up for that? Now would they do the same if some attractive, available man were to be stopping by sometime during the slumber party? I can't see them getting all dolled up to "out-do" each other if staying in all night by themselves with no visitors. Now they will if they have the opposite sex SOMEWHERE in the equation.

Hmmm....

Why do men shave?

If they dont they trim their beards to style?

After shave cologne?

Styled haircuts?

Hair products including tints?

Tone their muscles at the gym?

Need I go on? ..... I beleive some even moisture now.

Wo mans have a short shelf life. Which is why stores have several isles of camouflage just dedicated to them.

Feminism comes in different flavours. It does advocate against the sexualisation of women but cannot stop women wearing makeup.

Is the problem with women wearing make-up, or with men's attitude to women and what they consider to be attractiveness?

originally posted by: phrugal
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

There is nothing worse than thinking you have met a really beautiful woman and then realizing that it is all a lie when you see them w/o makeup.

You have never seen a really beautiful woman. Nothing is more beautiful than seeing her wake up without makeup. There she is, in her entire beauty. The most gorgeous thing, unfettered by the constrains of societal demands. Just her. That is how I wish she would always appear. Her eyes, her lips.. the way she speaks. I could not care less about how she paints her canvass. her beauty is within.

That is what beauty is... seeing them w/o makeup.

You have NO idea who I have seen and who I haven't and in what circumstances. To make that assumption speaks volumes of you and shows your preconcieved notions of either me or males. I specifically mentioned women who don't wear makeup, did you even read that? I specifically said the most attractive and beautiful women I've known didn't need makeup nor wear it normally, though in some occasions they would wear a little. And yes, waking up, out of the shower, after a long day at the beach (no makup, swimming, getting dirty/sandy, etc) or even working, yes I've seen them in their "native" state many times and they were much more attractive than the "painted whore faced" women who need to hide behind makeup. Now not all women are as blessed which is why some of them feel they need makeup I guess. Just as some men are similarly blessed.

a reply to: phrugal


Two thoughts.....


*Beauty is in the eye of the beholder* and *One mans meat is another mans poison*

originally posted by: paraphi
Feminism comes in different flavours. It does advocate against the sexualisation of women but cannot stop women wearing makeup.

Is the problem with women wearing make-up, or with men's attitude to women and what they consider to be attractiveness?

It's both. I think media has done a lot to push what people should find attractive and it has gotten MUCH worse over the last 20 years. I remember the talks about unobtainalbe body image of women in media back in the 90's and early 2000's but I think it has gotten worse in many ways, though they have taken steps to show women without the "ideal" body (which was the whole issue - that concept) as being beautiful as well. But the problem is that look at Hollywood and what do you see the most?

The problem is that much of this is designed to sell sell sell and they do that largely by sex appeal, and IDK if it is natural or programmed but the media pushes the athletic/slim female body in many cases, so that is what many guys covet - again, IDK what would happen if that wasn't pushed in the media, if it would be the same or not.

Looking in the past with fertility goddesses, large women were seen as highly coveted b/c they were able to carry children easily and often give birth to healthy children. I think this really started to change with the invention of photography and then movies and pornography (which seeped into movies). But looking back at art from even Egyptian, Greek and Roman times, slender attractive women were held up as images of beauty even way back then, so it seems it has been a biological drive within males, so blaming males for their biology is like blaming women for getting their period.

originally posted by: chelsdh
The use of makeup and dress (stilettos as your example) IS to sexualize- in the basest form it is to attract a mate.
Of course many women claim that has nothing to do with why they doll themselves up- but psychologically it is. I am married and have no interest in picking up another mate, yet I still like to look nice. Fixing my hair and painting my face usually helps me feel better about myself.

A case of Having 'got' him ..... you have to keep him?

That being said, a very wise woman once told me that women don’t get fancy for men, they do it to out do each other....

originally posted by: eletheia


A case of Having 'got' him ..... you have to keep him?

That being said, a very wise woman once told me that women don’t get fancy for men, they do it to out do each other....

But is that out-doing each other so they are the ones that receive the most attention from men, to make other women feel worse, or for what reason? Any way you look at it it seems like it is a negative trait in many ways, either "catty" or posessive or a result of low self esteem.

So if a woman has to rely on her looks to give her self worth, isn't that the total opposite of feminism? They are objectifying themselves by wearing sadistic stilleto's, and trying to make other women look "wosrse" by gussying themselves up, so they can be the center of attention and or make other women feel bad about themselves. Seems VERY self centered, manipulative and evil IMO.

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof

But is that out-doing each other so they are the ones that receive the most attention from men, to make other women feel worse, or for what reason? Any way you look at it it seems like it is a negative trait in many ways, either "catty" or posessive or a result of low self esteem.

Self esteem breeds confidence, and who is not able to defer to and have

confidence in someone (male or female) who is confident? whether they

be sitting in front of a bank manager or at a job interview.

Nothing worse than being unprepared or caught on the hop.

So if a woman has to rely on her looks to give her self worth, isn't that the total opposite of feminism? They are objectifying themselves by wearing sadistic stilleto's, and trying to make other women look "wosrse" by gussying themselves up, so they can be the center of attention and or make other women feel bad about themselves. Seems VERY self centered, manipulative and evil IMO.

Not relying on looks, but grooming and presentation of who they are.

Sadistic stiletos you're not a woman are you? I'm older now and

one of the things I miss most are my stilletos!! However they never defined

or objectivied me.

Making the best of oneself has nothing to do with making any one else feel

worse about themselves .......everyone has the same opportunity of being

the best they can "IF THEY WANT TO"