posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 08:39 PM
First off, Masonic Light, I'd like to take this moment to acknowledge your humbleness and sincerity; you do not reek of arrogance and ignorance like
Now, to address your post.
"Hall was not an "early Masonic writer". In fact, he died in 1990, less than 15 years ago. Furthermore, most of Hall's books on Masonry were
written in the 1920's and 30's, although he did not become a Mason himself until 1954. Therefore, most of Hall's Masonic books were written by a
Excuse me for not being clear about early Masonic writing ... it was a mistake on my part by saying 'early', as early would generaly coincide with a
time frame of perhaps more than a century plus, ago, in most minds. I was mainly refering to his book, The Secret Teachings of All Ages. And I used
Hall as just a pretext. There are many other writings throughout the years involving Free Masonry, and there is no need to list authors who are
genuine or not. Again, it was just a pretext.
"Actually, the number is 8, not 56. 56 was the total number of signers. The following 8 signers were Masons ..."
That, my friend, is wrong. While the 8 you list are the most publically known, the other 42 were also Free Masons or affiliated with Free Masonry.
Whatever your opinion, that much is true, and I do not feel a need to argue with a conflicting point of view.
And about your attempt to debunk the French Revolution ...
"You certainly will, because it simply isn't true."
I was waiting for this, I knew it was coming. With all due respect, what you state is a conclusion based on any standard history text book that is
given to the mainstream audience. And to deny ignorance is to know that the people who write history, are the people who win. Let me clarify this for
Like you stated, popularly believed to begin with a public uprising over lack of food and government representation, is true. But what you obviously
haven't studied is the roots. The revolution was in fact instigated by cells of Free Masons and another.
First, let me take an excerpt from The New Encyclopaedia Britannica.
"..there arose a political system and a philosophical outlook that no longer took Christianity for granted, that in fact explicitly opposed it ...
The brotherhood taught by such groups as the Freemasons, members of secret fraternal societies, and the Illuminati, a rationalist secret society,
provided a rival to the Catholic sense of community."
Nesta H. Webster once wrote, in 1924, "The Masons ... originated the Revolution with the infamous Duke of Orleans at their head."
During the first French Revolution, a key rebel leader was the Duke of Orleans, who was 'grand master' of French Masonry before his resignation at
the height of the Revolution. Marquis de Lafayette, whom was initiated into the Masonic way by George Washington, also played an important role.
The Jacobin Club which was part of the source of the revolutionary movement, was founded by Freemasons.
Now, for a history lesson ... the Duke of Orleans, (grand master of the Grand Orient Lodge of Freemasons), bought all the grain in 1789 and either
sold it or hid it away, creating near starvation.
Your quote stated, "The Revolution was not caused by "secret societies", but by famine. On October 5, 1789, 7000 Parisian peasant women marched on
Versaille to demand food for their children."
You're right, good sir, but you've either failed or overlooked the cause for the famine. I notice many on this board over look things.
Webster also wrote, "If, then, it is said that the [French] Revolution was prepared in the lodges of Freemasons -- and many French Masons have
boasted of the fact -- let it always be added that it was Illuminized Freemasonry that made the Revolution, and that the Masons who acclaim it are
Illuminized Masons, inheritors of the same tradition introduced into the lodges of France in 1787 by the disciples of Weishaupt."
Perhaps if you look up Jacobins and Jacobites you'll get even more answers.
Now ... the traditional claim of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette hoarding money to themselves is true ... but also, please remember about the American
Revolution. France had spent a considerable amount of money supporting it ... please remember that. French noblemen were summoned to assembly to find
out how to pay off this debt ... first they wanted to tax the rich, and that, of course was out of the question. King Louis XVI had a lot more
important things on his mind than hoarding more wealth for himself.
Now, about the Great Fear of July 1789, you know, the crowd that stormed the king's chief prison to release seven prisoners. This wasn't just a spur
of the moment thing my friend. They were enticed, in that year, employed and paid by revolutionary leaders. It's in fact confirmed by authorities, as
one said, 'too numerous to length'. The importation of the contingent of hired of hired brigands refutes the theory that the Revolution was an
irrepressible rising of the people.
Most of what is said above was researched by Webster.
You also didn't look at the trigger of the Revolution ... mounted couriers riding from town to town warning fearful peasents that conspirators
against the nation were hiding within the aristrocrats refuges. These riders also said that the king ordered them to be attacked. This, coupled with
starvation that was caused by the same people who sent riders into the villages, is what started the Revolution.
It's all about the Grand Orient Lodges of Masonry my friend. So there you have it ... the truth of the French Revolution. Deny it all you want ...
some higher being granted us the gift of intelligence and with it, comes opinion. Refute the facts all you want, but they are true.
Remember, most of the things that are written in history are there because the writers chose it to be.
[edit on 24-2-2005 by Grey]