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posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 07:57 AM
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I'm a liberal but then it means something different in the UK , and I wouldn't lock someone up because of any eating disorder or because they smoke a joint. Liberals believe that you have the right to do as you wish as long as you don't impinge on other's rights. That's why liberals don't mind if two men want to get married or if an interacial couple wish to get married. We know when to say it's none of our business.

What amazes me is that a conservative doesn't mind continuing to pay this guys medical bills ( I assume that's the alternative )

It's always been the illiberal right who've advocated policies like this. Gypsies and Jews in concentration camps and euthenasia for the mentally ill


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posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
I'm a liberal but then it means something different in the UK , and I wouldn't lock someone up because of any eating disorder or because they smoke a joint. Liberals believe that you have the right to do as you wish as long as you don't impinge on other's rights. That's why liberals don't mind if two men want to get married or if an interacial couple wish to get married. We know when to say it's none of our business.

What amazes me is that a conservative doesn't mind continuing to pay this guys medical bills ( I assume that's the alternative )

It's always been the illiberal right who've advocated policies like this. Gypsies and Jews in concentration camps and euthenasia for the mentally ill


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Does national 'socialist" party mean anything? errr NAZI. Hitler was a leftist "socialist". And NO ONE should pay anyone elses medical bills. There should be no Governement nor third party (insurance) whatsoever.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:40 AM
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Well, I'm sure you're not suggesting Hitler was a liberal are you DrH ?

Or are you ?

The polar opposite of Liberal is Authoritarian. Can we agree that this behaviour far from being liberal is authoritarian ?

Whatever your beliefs about medical insurance and personal responsibility I doubt that this "sobbing Chris" is not a burden on the state.

Perhap McDonalds should pay a fat tax ? Or is tax a dirty word where you come from ?



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
Well, I'm sure you're not suggesting Hitler was a liberal are you DrH ?

Or are you ?

The polar opposite of Liberal is Authoritarian. Can we agree that this behaviour far from being liberal is authoritarian ?

Whatever your beliefs about medical insurance and personal responsibility I doubt that this "sobbing Chris" is not a burden on the state.

Perhap McDonalds should pay a fat tax ? Or is tax a dirty word where you come from ?




Socialist = liberal.

Tax is a very dirty word and should be used very little.

Hitler was a "socialist". IE NAZI



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
Liberals believe that you have the right to do as you wish as long as you don't impinge on other's rights. *SNIP* We know when to say it's none of our business.

What amazes me is that a conservative doesn't mind continuing to pay this guys medical bills ( I assume that's the alternative )

I had to look up how much this guy weighed in pounds.....434 pounds


John, isn't this guy impinging on everyone who directly or indirectly pays for health care (US system for example)? If my rates are higher because of the obese, doesn't that affect me?
The skyrocketing number of diabetes and weight-related issues certainly has an effect on medical costs.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe

I had to look up how much this guy weighed in pounds.....434 pounds


John, isn't this guy impinging on everyone who directly or indirectly pays for health care (US system for example)? If my rates are higher because of the obese, doesn't that affect me?
The skyrocketing number of diabetes and weight-related issues certainly has an effect on medical costs.


So then by that logic you should support locking up homosexuals to reproggram them to always use condoms, lock up smokers, drinkers, the promiscous, anyone with any kind of eating disorder, drug users, etc as well?



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:59 AM
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Well, if the level of your knowledge means that you equate liberalism with socialism then I'm not sure you'll be able to hold a political conversation with anyone here because you're misguided and resting your entire philosophy on a faulty foundation.

It's like a fish trying to talk to a sparrow about coral. You're not speaking a language that we can both understand. Infact I doubt you'll find anyone outside of kindergarten to converse with.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
Well, if the level of your knowledge means that you equate liberalism with socialism then I'm not sure you'll be able to hold a political conversation with anyone here because you're misguided and resting your entire philosophy on a faulty foundation.

It's like a fish trying to talk to a sparrow about coral. You're not speaking a language that we can both understand. Infact I doubt you'll find anyone outside of kindergarten to converse with.


Well in the 'colonies" Liberal=socialist=communist=evil. 63,000,000 voters said so. Now I'll ask my teacher if i can go out to recess.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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Colonies ?


I doubt words are defined differently in the U.S.A. What you're assuming is that your misconceptions are widely held. I doubt anyone with a dictionary could agree with you.

But we could all have fun defining words in our own way but then how would we understand each other ?

The problem seems to be that you are particularly susceptable to television propaganda. If an authority figure ceaselessly spits liberal out in the wrong context then it's only natural that weak minds should submit.

So atleast we understand the explanations set before us.

a) You have a weak susceptable mind.

b) You are consciously misusing the word.

c) You don't understand the meaning of the words you use.

Tick where appropriate.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
Colonies ?


I doubt words are defined differently in the U.S.A. What you're assuming is that your misconceptions are widely held. I doubt anyone with a dictionary could agree with you.

But we could all have fun defining words in our own way but then how would we understand each other ?

The problem seems to be that you are particularly susceptable to television propaganda. If an authority figure ceaselessly spits liberal out in the wrong context then it's only natural that weak minds should submit.

So atleast we understand the explanations set before us.

a) You have a weak susceptable mind.

b) You are consciously misusing the word.

c) You don't understand the meaning of the words you use.

Tick where appropriate.


John Kerry = Liberal
Ted Kennedy = Liberal
Bill Clinton = Liberal
Hillary = Liberal


Liberal = evil................end of story. Liberalisim is a mental disorder. Liberalism is based on lies, distortion, and "feelings". Lucifer, Lawyer, Liberal, Leftist get the pattern?



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 10:03 AM
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OK Dr H

Let's see where you stand.

Political Compass

I don't believe in the concept of evil. So again we're not talking the same language.

Make a note of your score. Here is mine.

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56

and we'll see if we can get them plotted.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
OK Dr H

Let's see where you stand.

Political Compass

I don't believe in the concept of evil. So again we're not talking the same language.

Make a note of your score. Here is mine.

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56

and we'll see if we can get them plotted.



Ok, I played the game, but strongly disagree with the question content and analysis. It is decidedly "liberal'.

My score..........Economic Left/Right: 8.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.79



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 10:34 AM
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You're about the same as Berlusconi.

And you're virtually a liberal.

www.digitalronin.f2s.com...



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by John bull 1
You're about the same as Berlusconi.

And you're virtually a liberal.

www.digitalronin.f2s.com...


OK there is a definite language barrier. But as a Psychologist I trongly disagree with the content and analysis of the questions.

They are written with a bias.............there is only right and wrong. Left or right. Black and white.........I don't believe is GRAY.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 11:02 AM
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Wow...


All I can say to this is I'm surprised.

Taken away by force because he is doing something to himself (and him alone!) that is harmful.

My sleep schedule is probably harmful to me. So is the fact that during the week I barely have time to eat anything other than some quick takeout. Oh well. It isn't killing anyone else now is it?

If he was a child (or perhaps mentally incompetent) then it would be up to a parent/guardian to decide if he should be required to go in for such treatment. But as a person of legal adult status, I see no reason why any agency should be able to remove him from his home for treatment without his approval and request.

To my Privacy and Civil Rights advocate friends here: I'd worry more about a case like this than about some "mysterious program" tracking your porn and chat rooms. This is real.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 11:26 AM
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I have a cousin who has this syndrome. I think what bothers me most about this case is that while people who suffer from this medical problem aren't retarded, many of them do have mental handicaps of a lesser sort. So you have these people who are struggling with a disorder that will eventually kill them, in one form or another, depending on the severity of it, who are trying to overcome something that they don't have the natural ability to control, then you shatter that world they made that works by shipping them off to an institution. Think of how horrible that must have been for this young man. In the end, the issue here is that the state should not have the power to do this. Our lives are what we make of them, or at least should be. Not what the government makes of them for us.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe

Originally posted by John bull 1
Liberals believe that you have the right to do as you wish as long as you don't impinge on other's rights. *SNIP* We know when to say it's none of our business.

What amazes me is that a conservative doesn't mind continuing to pay this guys medical bills ( I assume that's the alternative )

I had to look up how much this guy weighed in pounds.....434 pounds


John, isn't this guy impinging on everyone who directly or indirectly pays for health care (US system for example)? If my rates are higher because of the obese, doesn't that affect me?
The skyrocketing number of diabetes and weight-related issues certainly has an effect on medical costs.


The guy has an illness, that is what is causing the overwieght.....
isn't this what healthcare systems are for, to treat illnesses?
If someone is born with a heart defect, are they also impinging on your rights?

Accept the fact that their are some people in the world who are gonna be overweight, regardless of what they do....since this is the way it is.
The core of the problem is that the for some reason we cannot provide healthcare to people at an affordable cost...(still say it's the drug companies, doctors, ect, expecting outrageous profits, but)....and well, the costs are now nipping at our wallets enough to make it painful, so instead of the governments finding a way to bring those costs down, and us citizens finding ways to get them down, we're just gonna start meddling in everyone's elses business, try to dictate how they live, what they eat, but as long as the insurance company pays enough of the bill for it not to bite you, well, who cares if the provider might have listed services, drugs, and such that was never delivered......so, why bother looking through that nice long bill....right???

There's no way our country (or any) can remain free if we continue down this path.

dependency=servitude!!



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 11:49 AM
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You know, I could see the interceeding of social services if Chris was a minor and no attempt was being made on his behalf but this guy is 23 years old! He's an adult! This whole damn thing is screwed up. Social services taking a 23 year old man away because his mommy isn't making him lose weight?

This guy had the support of his family who were trying to help him.

Point being...unless you break a law, no policeman has the right to arrest you..and in affect thats what they did. If they did not affect an arrest for an offense, they same as kidnapped guy.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Ocelot
Question. Why the F*** does everything have to be Liberal vs Conservatives? I mean it seems to me that this has no relevance to the topic at hand whatsoever.


It is the Us or Them mentality. Everything great must be because of Us while everything bad must be because of Them. It is easier for people to think in terms of black and white then to actually see the whole spectrum of activity in relationship to its individual parts as well as the whole.



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 12:13 PM
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Hor, I've decided to ignore you, and when I do I hope it's forvever. Why would anyne wanting a little liberal-conservative back and forth give you any attention? I never want to see that republican you-know-what dripping off your lower lip again.





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