New 911 Evidence Solves Unanswered Questions

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux


There is ample proof of nuclear events at WTC.

But if one chooses to deny the evidence, there is not much that can be done.

How can it be nukes when this conspiracists swears thermite with “credible” facts like this...

By Jesushere

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Laclede paint I believe was used in 1957/ 1967 when the WTC7 tower was built.

a reply to: Salander

There is ample proof of nuclear events at WTC.

But if one chooses to deny the evidence, there is not much that can be done.

It's starting to sound like you are claiming nuclear thermite.

Finally the truth movement comes up with something new !

Anybody remember when BOAC Flight 911 flew into the base of mount Fuji in 1966?
WTC was a Japanese project, designer was second generation Japanese who's parents had been held in a US detainment camp during WW2. All the steel for the towers came from Japan.

originally posted by: Cauliflower
All the steel for the towers came from Japan.

Didn't we drop nuclear bombs on Japan ? The ample proof of nuclear events at WTC is growing.

a reply to: Cauliflower

Japanese steel ??

Construction work began on the North Tower in August 1968 with construction beginning on the South Tower by January 1969.[80] In January 1967, $74 million in contracts were awarded to the Pacific Car and Foundry Company, Laclede Steel Company, Granite City Steel Company, and Karl Koch Erecting Company to supply steel for the project.[81] The Port Authority chose to use many different steel suppliers, bidding on smaller portions of steel, rather than buy larger amounts from a single source such as Bethlehem Steel or U.S. Steel as a cost-saving measure.[82] Karl Koch was also hired to do all the work of erecting the steel, and a contract for work on the aluminum facade was awarded to the Aluminum Company of America.[81] Tishman Realty & Construction was hired in February 1967 to oversee construction of the project.[83]

For example, Dreier Steel of Long Island City, New York
provided the steel for the grillages,
Des Moines Steel provided the “tridentlike forks...that would
sit on the base columns and run to where the regular pinstripes began on the ninth floor,”


Pacific Car & Foundry Co. in Seattle was creating the 5,828 steel panels with the 3 steel columns
connected by spandrels, Laclede Steel in St. Louis was creating the thirty-two thousand floor
trusses, and Granite City Steel was fabricating the corrugated steel deck and ductwork.

The grand total for using fifteen small steel companies rather than one industrial giant was only $85.4

a reply to: Cauliflower

Anybody remember when BOAC Flight 911 flew into the base of mount Fuji in 1966?

What does this has to do with 911, other than flight number ??

This was only one of 3 crashes in Tokyo area that month

t was the third fatal passenger airline accident in Tokyo in a month, following the crash of All Nippon Airways Flight 60 on 4 February and that of Canadian Pacific Air Lines Flight 402 just the day before.[

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Cauliflower
All the steel for the towers came from Japan.

Didn't we drop nuclear bombs on Japan ? The ample proof of nuclear events at WTC is growing.

Thermite is wrong? But Harrit got an exothermic reaction when he burnt epoxy chips in an oxygen atmosphere. And all his chips were not paint. Everyone of them.

originally posted by: Cauliflower
Anybody remember when BOAC Flight 911 flew into the base of mount Fuji in 1966?
WTC was a Japanese project, designer was second generation Japanese who's parents had been held in a US detainment camp during WW2. All the steel for the towers came from Japan.

You're close, but separated by the Sea of Japan. All the steel WENT to China. Yeah, that's the ticket mate!!

a reply to: firerescue

According to this link Japan was the only country that had the mill capability to manufacture the tapered core structures.

911research.wtc7.net...

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: Cauliflower
Anybody remember when BOAC Flight 911 flew into the base of mount Fuji in 1966?
WTC was a Japanese project, designer was second generation Japanese who's parents had been held in a US detainment camp during WW2. All the steel for the towers came from Japan.

You're close, but separated by the Sea of Japan. All the steel WENT to China. Yeah, that's the ticket mate!!

Except before going to China, the structural steel frim the towers was identified and examined on site, sent to Fresh Kills for further examination and sampling.

You mean except the structural steel that was kept state side, used for numerous memorials, and used in a battle ship?

What happened to the remnants of the World Trade Center?

www.pbs.org...

They come in various forms and sizes, collected from the wreckage of the World Trade Center buildings in the months following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Fifteen years later, some of the rusted pieces of twisted steel, tattered emergency vehicles, signs, clothing and other relics, which numbered in the thousands, have been disseminated to all 50 states and to the far reaches of the world. Many of them now stand as memorials to 9/11.

More than 2,600 artifacts collected from the site were housed inside Hangar 17 at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, under the purview of the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey.

Under the Port Authority program, which began in 2010 and ended last month, the items were given out to 1,585 fire and police departments, museums, municipalities and organizations in an effort to remember the nearly 3,000 people who died that day.

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New York (291), New Jersey (271) and California (65) received the largest number of artifacts. At least 10 countries, including China, Russia, England and Canada also received pieces of the World Trade Center or other relics from Ground Zero.

World Trade Center beam bearing scars of attack relocated to Westerville for firefighters memorial

www.dispatch.com...

Any more false narratives and hollow innuendo?

a reply to: Salander

Where the Twin Towers Ended Up

www.theatlantic.com...

Shortly after the attacks, New York City sold 175,000 tons of World Trade Center steel scrap to be made into something else. Some went to cities in the United States; about 60,000 tons went to companies in China, India, and South Korea. But some steel was recovered from Ground Zero for a different purpose: to be memorialized.

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For years, that steel, along with hundreds of other artifacts from that day—crushed police cars, elevator parts, souvenirs, and jewelry from the underground mall—was stored in an 80,000-square-foot hangar at John F. Kennedy International Airport. The 840 pieces of steel were cut to create 2,200 chunks. Since 2008, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has doled out these artifacts to government and nonprofit organizations for free. Now, just 30 remain.

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The biggest chunk of steel, weighing 47,000 pounds, was given to the Stephen Siller Tunnel to Towers Foundation, which raises money for first responders injured or killed in the line of duty.

Why does the truth movement rely on falsehoods?

Raw steel is shipped to some 15 fabricators around the country and from several foreign countries. (Unofficial estimates of foreign steel being used in the trade center range from 30 to 60% of the total.) The fabricators ship completed units to the Greenville railroad yard in New Jersey, just across the Hudson River, where they are stored before being trucked to the site. As of now, with 71,000 tons of steel in place and another 60,000 tons in Greenville, every piece has reached Greenville on time and in proper sequence.

a reply to: Cauliflower

So where did the steel come from ….??

originally posted by: neutronflux

One, you are confusing momentum vs durability. The wings and jet did break apart on impact.

Show me the wings breaking apart on impact. I'll show you the wings sinking right into the building, if you'd like.

Or is this just another unsupported claim of yours, that you repeat over and over?

originally posted by: neutronflux
Two, how does a soft lead bullet penetrate steel plate.

Density, mainly. Lead bullets are denser than steel. The velocity, and shape, of a bullet are factors, as well. Bullets travel about 1700 mph.

Unlike a plane, which has a lighter, far less dense aluminum shell, wings on both sides, that can't pierce steel. And about 1100 mph slower than a bullet, even at top speed.

Were you trying to help make my point?

originally posted by: neutronflux

Three, what was a jet weighing over 200,000 pounds, with 50,000 pounds of fuel just in the wings, traveling 500 mph supposed to do? Bounce off?

Four, sorry you don’t understand energy and momentum.

From the guy who just compared a bullet to an airplane, I'll take that as a compliment.

Planes don't "bounce off" buildings, and they don't sink into buildings.

They punch into buildings, while breaking apart, and stop half-way though buildings, or so.

Planes have energy, and momentum, but not enough to slice through steel, and concrete, like butter.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Five, you didn’t answer:
how would you even mount explosives on the outside of the towers to create your “perfect” shape. Why would they be mounted on the outside to create a “perfect shake”? Explosives that had to only blow inward, cut columns, cut core columns, simulate a fire ball equivalent to a jet with 8000 gallons hitting the tower at high speed, ejected wreckage out exit homes, and be strong enough to create seismic waves detectable 25 miles away. Without an once of evidence they were there and staged.

Because they had all the evidence, it's a little silly to go on claiming there was no evidence of explosives. Take evidence of a crime away, then claim - 'there is no evidence of a crime!'

Do you get the point yet?

As for explosives, look up 'shape charges'. That'll explain it for you.

Seismic activity explains detonations, and tons of steel hitting the ground. No problem there.

originally posted by: neutronflux
And you ignored:
Ok. I will play the game. With reports the buildings were bulging/buckling/leaning before collapse, from the videos of collapse, from the videos and pictures of the rubble, from the audio of the collapse, from the seismic date, from the identified and documented columns, the recovered jet wreckage, the Identifying of passagers by DNA, metallurgical analysis of the steel, and the hand gathering of human remains, personal belongings, and evidence; what clue would point them towards planted explosives brought down the towers?

Analysis of steel proved the fires did not cause failure. Another example of you endlessly repeating a lie, when you know it's a lie.

The other 'evidence' is not even valid, or could ever be verified independently.

That's always the best 'evidence', isn't it?

The great thing about physics is that it always holds true, no matter what.

A steel high-rise holds to the exact same physical principles as a meccano set building does.

That's what you try to ignore, for obvious reasons.


We have a steel-framed structure that collapses in 15-20 seconds. Until, and since, 9/11, the only way this has been possible is through a controlled demolition. Which makes sense, since a CD cuts all structural supports within a building, in precise sequence, to make the structure collapse.

I can prove how a building collapses in 20 seconds with a CD. I can show you hundreds of prior examples of CD's. I can demonstrate the physical principles in scale models, by pulling supports with strings, to make the model collapse.

You CANNOT prove how a building collapses in 20 seconds WITHOUT a CD, however. You have NO prior examples of non-CD collapses. And you - most importantly - cannot demonstrate the physical principles in scale models!!


I've heard 'The towers cannot be replicated in a collapse, because they were 'so unique', and 'so immense'.

That is complete bs. The fact is that ALL structures, no matter how 'unique', no matter how 'immense', hold to the same physical principles.


To duplicate a non-CD collapse has nothing to do with it's size, or specific structure.


Your argument is that if you cut all supports of the top third, or so, of a structure, it will result in a collapse of the entire structure, within seconds.


The problem is that you cannot do it, and never will do it, with a model. That's why it's worthless to claim such things are possible, because they are NOT possible.


Everything can work, if you never have to PROVE it works.

a reply to: turbonium1

Planes have energy, and momentum, but not enough to slice through steel, and concrete, like butter.

You just killed any credibly you had left.

1945 Empire State Building B-25 crash
en.m.wikipedia.org...
At 9:40 a.m., the aircraft crashed into the north side of the Empire State Building, between the 78th and 80th floors, carving an 18-by-20-foot (5.5 m × 6.1 m) hole in the building[7] where the offices of the National Catholic Welfare Council were located. One engine shot through the South side opposite the impact and flew as far as the next block, dropping 900 feet (270 m) and landing on the roof of a nearby building and starting a fire that destroyed a penthouse art studio. The other engine and part of the landing gear plummeted down an elevator shaft. The resulting fire was extinguished in 40 minutes. It is still the only significant fire at such a height to be brought under control.[7]

A tomahawk missile with no warhead had no problem passing completely through a steel container

See Tomahawk missile strike a ship
m.youtube.com...

Please drone on how an aluminum aircraft cannot penetrate steel......

a reply to: turbonium1

If the jets didn’t cause the impact damage, what did?

a reply to: turbonium1

Unlike a plane, which has a lighter, far less dense aluminum shell, wings on both sides, that can't pierce steel.

You can't really believe that can you ?
Please explain how the Japanese sank 26 steel ships and damaged 164 others with wooden planes going 250knts.

It's claims like yours that make the truthers look so bad.

a reply to: turbonium1


Still waiting numb nutz on your explanation on how small light World War II aircraft can penetrate sides of steel
ships or the masonry side of a building

USS HINSDALE ( APA 120)

upload.wikimedia.org...

USS STERRETT (DD 407)

www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/DD407/h98062.jpg

OR a WW II Bomber a solid 11 inch thick masonry wall

upload.wikimedia.org...

One of the motors punched all the way through the building coming out other side to land on roof 1 1/2 block away

Give a logical explanation of why this cant happen 60 years later with much larger much faster aircraft

a reply to: turbonium1

El Al Flight 1862
en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: turbonium1

Density,

The equation for force is

F=ma

or

Force equals Mass times Acceleration.

You might notice there is no D in that equation.