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New 911 Evidence Solves Unanswered Questions

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posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: toms54

Why wouldn’t you want to use the video evidence. Especially when WTC 2’s collapse initiation and area of initiation is on video. Why wouldn’t one want to start from that event and determine what is plausible and not plausible.

What do you not understand there is zero evidence and zero chance by the way the buildings collapsed the WTC was brought down by nukes.
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posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

You have no answer, only the same question asked for the 25th time.


Then you explain what caused the inward bowing of outer columns at WTC 2 to initiate collapse.

Thermite. (again)

It did not initiate collapse. It helped demolish the upper 1/3 of the building not pulverized into dust. You saw the molton metal right? and the thermite iron spheres?

Once again, you did not even look at the pictures.
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posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: neutronflux

You have no answer, only the same question asked for the 25th time.


Then you explain what caused the inward bowing of outer columns at WTC 2 to initiate collapse.

Thermite. (again)

It did not initiate collapse. It helped demolish the upper 1/3 of the building not pulverized into dust. You saw the molton metal right? and the thermite iron spheres?

Once again, you did not even look at the pictures.


How did thermite cause the inward bowing of the outer columns in isolated areas. If you cut the core, you would have to knock the cuts out to drop the core.. If you drop the core, the collapsing core would be seen up through the building. It would not cause isolated areas of outer columns to buckle.

The jets caused core columns to be removed, and that did not cause buckling of outer columns. Is that false.

Anymore false narratives not supported by any evidence.



posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: toms54

Molten metal as in a mixture of lead from battery rooms, silver, copper, aluminum, solder with burning and melted plastics. How would there be pure anything.



posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: toms54

What iron thermite spheres. Thermite reactions are the only thing that causes iron spheres. You might want to study up some more.

And you do realize there is zero chance any demolitions systems would survive the jet impacts to cause the collapse to initiate in the areas of jet impacts.

Do you have anymore fantasies?



posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: toms54

What iron thermite spheres.


The ones already referenced in this thread several times with pictures so even you can understand. What good does it do to give you proof when you refuse to even take a quick look at it?

You bore me with all this repetition. Really, you are not even worth the bother.



posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: Bernardo1871

The SEDAN nuclear test used a 104 KT device

It spread fallout over most of the western United States

This is the crater left by SEDAN

upload.wikimedia.org...

I don't see any massive crater in Manhattan

Fallout map

upload.wikimedia.org...

So why was no radiation detected after the WTC



posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 06:19 PM
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originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: toms54

What iron thermite spheres.


The ones already referenced in this thread several times with pictures so even you can understand. What good does it do to give you proof when you refuse to even take a quick look at it?

You bore me with all this repetition. Really, you are not even worth the bother.


Let’s start with this....


1/2 ton of thermite bs SUV mythbusters
www.dailymotion.com...


1000 lbs of thermite couldn’t even cut a 4,000 pound suv in half. It hardly cut through the roof laying on the SUV horizontally. The thermite was even directed by using a brick channel.

So, jet impacts cut the core columns that resulted in no noticeable inward bowing of outer columns not hit by the jets. But some how a welding agent was applied vertical to massive columns and cut through the core columns under load with no visible signs of fatigue running up the building? The welding agent somehow cut through the core column and ejected enough of the core to cause the core to drop? How many thousands of pounds of thermite would you need to cut through a a column vertical if a thousand pounds of thermite laying on top of a SUV could barely cut through the roof. All that thermite was installed unnoticed, and did not cause disruptions in elevator services?

Then how did A CD system maintain its integrity through jet impacts that cut columns, cut fire water mains, may have cut elevator cables, and breached the core of the towers. And then survive fires to initiate the collapse in the areas of jet impacts.

The truth movement maintains the resistance of each floor had to be removed to achieve the witnessed collapse rate of the towers. Yet, there is absolutely no evidence of thousands of pounds of thermite setting of on each floor.

Then it would be impossible to use thermite in a sophisticated split second timed top down implosion.

Then you have absolutely no reason why there would be detectable unreacted thermite in WTC dust.

Then you have a study that passes off paint chips as thermite. A study that found oxidized aluminum, and assumed the presence of unbound aluminum free for a thermite reaction. A study that never did a single test to show the dust was able to achieve a thermite reaction. And the study never completed the discovery process by turning over dust samples for independent verification for thermite. Other studies of WTC found no thermite.

With no evidence by thermal imaging, or the metallurgy of the steel the steel was ever exposed to temperatures at which thermite burns at.

There is no video of vertical columns being cut, and no video proof of thermite burning.

But you do have reports of the towers leaning and buckling before collapse. Video of the outer columns buckling with no signs the core was cut while the buckling occurred. The bowing can be explained by the contracting of dropping floor trusses. And the collapse resulted in a large pile of twisted steel, with broken welds, and failed floor connections.



Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...

Characterization of Submerged Arc Welds from the World Trade Center Towers: As- Deposited Welds and Failures Associated with Impact Damage of the Exterior Columns
files.aws.org...


With absolutely no proof columns were cut during collapse, or worded on by explosives.
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posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: firerescue

nuclear explosive devices with a strong neutron flux were used.
In nature, the invisible neutron radiation is fatal, biological substances become radioactive.
The three WTC towers however were made of steel. When exposed to a strong neutron flux, iron initially forms stable (= non-radioactive) iron isotopes.

as chancellor palpatine once said: how ironic that a dummy called 'neutronflux' actually denies the reality of the nuclear attack on september 11, 2001! :-)



posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: Bernardo1871
a reply to: firerescue

nuclear explosive devices with a strong neutron flux were used.
In nature, the invisible neutron radiation is fatal, biological substances become radioactive.
The three WTC towers however were made of steel. When exposed to a strong neutron flux, iron initially forms stable (= non-radioactive) iron isotopes.

as chancellor palpatine once said: how ironic that a dummy called 'neutronflux' actually denies the reality of the nuclear attack on september 11, 2001! :-)



How does a building made to be 95% space provide enough shielding to prevent radiation sickness?

Then why would you imply core columns where turned to dust from a nuclear device?


www.abovetopsecret.com...
core columns disappeared into dust clouds: unexplained.

Contradict yourself much?

How do you deny something there is absolutely no proof of, and the only thing you provide is pseudoscience?



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posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Let’s start with this....
Think nanothermite, not mythbuster thermite.
Proof that Thermite can cut a vertical column
14:28

Should answer most of you questions.

Nanothermite
Which ! already posted but you clearly did not bother to look at


If that's not enough for you, just do a google search for 911 nanothermite. You will see pages of proof. Videos also.

Many of your statements are simply not true.

"Then how did A CD system maintain its integrity through jet impacts that cut columns, cut fire water mains, may have cut elevator cables, and breached the core of the towers. And then survive fires to initiate the collapse in the areas of jet impacts." The method has been described ad nauseam and evidence provided that you didn't look at.

"Then it would be impossible to use thermite in a sophisticated split second timed top down implosion.
Then you have absolutely no reason why there would be detectable unreacted thermite in WTC dust." Untrue.

"With no evidence by thermal imaging, or the metallurgy of the steel the steel was ever exposed to temperatures at which thermite burns at." Untrue.

I have already addressed your "welds failed" articles. Repeating this over and over page after page does not help your position.

Watch the video.



posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

How about this?

You keep talking about the jets, the jets did this, the jet did that. Can you even prove there was a jet?

Did you find jet pieces in the rubble? What happened to it? You want to talk about what they found in all those tons of rubble? Show me the jet.



posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: toms54



Watch the video


Why. When there is zero evidence of thermite. When the studies proclaiming thermite are junk science, never actually used analysis that would prove the WTC dust could carry a thermite reaction, the studies never completed the discovery process, and other studies show the chips are paint and primer.

And


Watch the video


Does not answer the below




www.dailymotion.com...


1000 lbs of thermite couldn’t even cut a 4,000 pound suv in half. It hardly cut through the roof laying on the SUV horizontally. The thermite was even directed by using a brick channel.

So, jet impacts cut the core columns that resulted in no noticeable inward bowing of outer columns not hit by the jets. But some how a welding agent was applied vertical to massive columns and cut through the core columns under load with no visible signs of fatigue running up the building? The welding agent somehow cut through the core column and ejected enough of the core to cause the core to drop? How many thousands of pounds of thermite would you need to cut through a a column vertical if a thousand pounds of thermite laying on top of a SUV could barely cut through the roof. All that thermite was installed unnoticed, and did not cause disruptions in elevator services?

Then how did A CD system maintain its integrity through jet impacts that cut columns, cut fire water mains, may have cut elevator cables, and breached the core of the towers. And then survive fires to initiate the collapse in the areas of jet impacts.

The truth movement maintains the resistance of each floor had to be removed to achieve the witnessed collapse rate of the towers. Yet, there is absolutely no evidence of thousands of pounds of thermite setting of on each floor.

Then it would be impossible to use thermite in a sophisticated split second timed top down implosion.

Then you have absolutely no reason why there would be detectable unreacted thermite in WTC dust.

Then you have a study that passes off paint chips as thermite. A study that found oxidized aluminum, and assumed the presence of unbound aluminum free for a thermite reaction. A study that never did a single test to show the dust was able to achieve a thermite reaction. And the study never completed the discovery process by turning over dust samples for independent verification for thermite. Other studies of WTC found no thermite.

With no evidence by thermal imaging, or the metallurgy of the steel the steel was ever exposed to temperatures at which thermite burns at.

There is no video of vertical columns being cut, and no video proof of thermite burning.

But you do have reports of the towers leaning and buckling before collapse. Video of the outer columns buckling with no signs the core was cut while the buckling occurred. The bowing can be explained by the contracting of dropping floor trusses. And the collapse resulted in a large pile of twisted steel, with broken welds, and failed floor connections.



Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...

Characterization of Submerged Arc Welds from the World Trade Center Towers: As- Deposited Welds and Failures Associated with Impact Damage of the Exterior Columns
app.aws.org...



posted on Oct, 31 2018 @ 10:21 PM
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Thoughts on the thermite pod.

One, somebody had to install them. According to the AE it would be floor by floor to achieve the witnessed collapse rate.

Two. The trade off since the columns were hollow. Instead of large amounts of thermite. Large thermite pods would have to be fitted along the entire circumference of the columns for a guaranteed cut. I would take my chances of packing large amounts of thermite vs installing and welding in place large thermite pods.

Three, the wiring and ignition systems still would have been damaged by jet impacts, building damage, and fire.

Four, so you make a cut under load? The molten edges are going to push together and probably weld shut to a certain degree as they cool.

Five, you still need to remove whole sections of core columns for the supposed core drop. Just making a cut does not to that.

Six. The thermite is still going to burn too slow and inconsistent to get that supposed sophisticated split timed floor by floor CD to achieve the witnessed collapse rates.

Seven. Truss to column connections were found and studied. Yet not a single sold metal thermite pod was ever found at the WTC? Not by NYFD, not by NYPD bomb and forensic units. Not by engineers. Not by clean up crews. Not by and state agency or person?

Eight, there is no sign of the pods on any videos of WTC steel, photos, displays?

Nine, who would have made the thermite pods? In large numbers? Who supplied the steel?

Ten, for thermite to work. The columns would have to be stripped of insulation.
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posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 06:09 AM
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Because there is zero chance someone removed insulation, installed thermite, and installed thermite pods undiscovered.

Because the studies claiming thermite are junk science that never completed the discovery process.

Because all the video, audio, seismic, and metallurgical evidence supports buckling, with no proof of columns cut or worked on by thermite.

Because there is almost a zero chance slow and inconsistent burning thermite could be used in a sophisticated split timed top down CD.

Because the wiring and ignition systems would not survive the jet impacts and fires to initiate the collapse of the towers in the area affected by the impacts and fires.

So, instead of seeing the reality not only there is no proof of CD, but thermite doesn’t explain anything witnessed at the WTC.

You have to ignore reality and go for name calling, and unfounded personal attacks.

Nice.....

When the real charlatans are the one pushing the junk science of active thermite in WTC dust.


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