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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Oh I think jesus is the one doing the duping lol..
Him , Santa and the Easter bunny are just blantant propagandists lol..a reply to: howtonhawky
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Oh I think jesus is the one doing the duping lol..
Him , Santa and the Easter bunny are just blantant propagandists lol..a reply to: howtonhawky
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: howtonhawky
I don't believe you are using any of those terms correctly.
And please provide references to support the idea that Jesus went into deep states of meditation?
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Raggedyman
Not really... in fact I am betting it is exactly the opposite..
I’m betting you had a pretty good experience in you local church. So that is why you believe it. .. it for damn sure isn’t logic and seductive reasoning that makes you a believer. Lol
I did go with an old girlfriend to her penecaustal church once which was the coolest service ever for the first hour and 15 minutes until they went bat crap crazy and started talking in toungs and such. I watched a 80 year old woman fall straight back on to the concrete floor as they all freaked out and started crying..
I even told the preacher “man y’all should do the crazy part at the beginning.... at least them people leave thinking about the service rather than the toungs and crying..”
I’m not a believer for 2 main reasons...
1) every testable claim in the Bible is easily debunked.. everytime the Bible makes a claim that should have left a mark on the modern world, That mark isn’t there.
2) after 3,000 years of recorded history with pretty much every single human being o the planet putting atleast some portion of their life searching for some proof of the supernatural.
What do they have to show for it???
Testimonials that can never be verified.. and claims of the warm and fuzzies..
NOTHING ELSE..
Not one repeatable spell or prayer that can be tested..
Not one trait or benefit that only one religion gains..
Religion is a social club.. some good people , some horrible people..
It is no different than your average book club.... but a book club that milks decent people out of their hard earned treasure in exchange for the warm and fuzzies..
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Metallicus
There is generally a very good reason a person acts like JC does
Mostly because the church has treated someone very poorly, have been far less than Christ like
I apologise on behalf of the church for our failings, for whatever it's worth
I can understand a persons bitterness
originally posted by: howtonhawky
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Raggedyman
Not really... in fact I am betting it is exactly the opposite..
I’m betting you had a pretty good experience in you local church. So that is why you believe it. .. it for damn sure isn’t logic and seductive reasoning that makes you a believer. Lol
I did go with an old girlfriend to her penecaustal church once which was the coolest service ever for the first hour and 15 minutes until they went bat crap crazy and started talking in toungs and such. I watched a 80 year old woman fall straight back on to the concrete floor as they all freaked out and started crying..
I even told the preacher “man y’all should do the crazy part at the beginning.... at least them people leave thinking about the service rather than the toungs and crying..”
I’m not a believer for 2 main reasons...
1) every testable claim in the Bible is easily debunked.. everytime the Bible makes a claim that should have left a mark on the modern world, That mark isn’t there.
2) after 3,000 years of recorded history with pretty much every single human being o the planet putting atleast some portion of their life searching for some proof of the supernatural.
What do they have to show for it???
Testimonials that can never be verified.. and claims of the warm and fuzzies..
NOTHING ELSE..
Not one repeatable spell or prayer that can be tested..
Not one trait or benefit that only one religion gains..
Religion is a social club.. some good people , some horrible people..
It is no different than your average book club.... but a book club that milks decent people out of their hard earned treasure in exchange for the warm and fuzzies..
It is totally testable
you gotta have unshakable faith
let's just say it is a club in which everyone is invited yet many are not able to come.
originally posted by: howtonhawky
So what will we think if we find out that Jesus is the deep state?
He was able to go into deep states of meditation from what i understand and he is the most powerful.
originally posted by: howtonhawky
Could it be that many are being duped by current zeitgeist?
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: howtonhawky
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Raggedyman
Not really... in fact I am betting it is exactly the opposite..
I’m betting you had a pretty good experience in you local church. So that is why you believe it. .. it for damn sure isn’t logic and seductive reasoning that makes you a believer. Lol
I did go with an old girlfriend to her penecaustal church once which was the coolest service ever for the first hour and 15 minutes until they went bat crap crazy and started talking in toungs and such. I watched a 80 year old woman fall straight back on to the concrete floor as they all freaked out and started crying..
I even told the preacher “man y’all should do the crazy part at the beginning.... at least them people leave thinking about the service rather than the toungs and crying..”
I’m not a believer for 2 main reasons...
1) every testable claim in the Bible is easily debunked.. everytime the Bible makes a claim that should have left a mark on the modern world, That mark isn’t there.
2) after 3,000 years of recorded history with pretty much every single human being o the planet putting atleast some portion of their life searching for some proof of the supernatural.
What do they have to show for it???
Testimonials that can never be verified.. and claims of the warm and fuzzies..
NOTHING ELSE..
Not one repeatable spell or prayer that can be tested..
Not one trait or benefit that only one religion gains..
Religion is a social club.. some good people , some horrible people..
It is no different than your average book club.... but a book club that milks decent people out of their hard earned treasure in exchange for the warm and fuzzies..
It is totally testable
you gotta have unshakable faith
let's just say it is a club in which everyone is invited yet many are not able to come.
BWAHAHAHA
Then please do explain what Christians have that no other religion does??
Do they live longer?? Are they more wealthy??
Better divorce rate??
Better recovery from injury??
Less of a crime rate??
Nope...
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: howtonhawky
So is the church nor Mohammad responsible for Muslim terrorists???
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: howtonhawky
We are the church
originally posted by: EasternShadow
originally posted by: howtonhawky
So what will we think if we find out that Jesus is the deep state?
He was able to go into deep states of meditation from what i understand and he is the most powerful.
I don't recall anyone being mocked, whipped and beatings until skin was flayed off, and blood dripped off his head from the long thorns in his crown could go into deep states of meditation. Most powerful or not. Not to mention, the Roman Centurions were known for their brutality.
If anyone knows more about being the most powerful meditator, it should be John of Patmos. He was powerful enough, he could see the flaming eyes of his God Jesus - even though John the Apostle claimed no one has ever see God except the son. You have to wonder what he did to be in such trance state.
originally posted by: howtonhawky
Could it be that many are being duped by current zeitgeist?
Many are being duped since the first century. The Gentiles were resistance to Judaism, they had to make their new laws, doctrines and copies upon copies of non original scriptures. But even Judaism has it's own flaw due to political issues, which make you wonder, what actually happen to the word of God.
In the end.. The Kingdom of God is within you. Nothing else matter. It doesn't matter what other thinks. Because what between you and the Holy Spirit is for you only.