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Why are They trying to make the New Russia into an an enemy of the United States?

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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:31 PM
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Can you remember the Cold War? Remember when there was a real political divide between the Communist/Socialist Soviet Union and
the Capitalist Western Domocracies? - I remember.

I remember when the Soviets under Gorbachev declared Commuism ineffective - I remember US Capitalist interests investing in the old
Soviet Union - And soon there were Russian billionaires.

So what happened? - Why are the political pundits trying to turn the New Russia into an enemy of the United States?

Is is a fear of real competition from Russia in an open marketplace? - We already compete openly with the New China
- Why are they trying to kill competition from the New Russia?

You tell me - I do not have the answer - Who, or what group is trying to keep Russia as an American enemy?
- Certainly not President Trump, who seems to be the only one seeing the advantages of having our former Cold War enemy as a friend.

So what is really going on? - Who are the real architects of this new attempt to re-create a new Cold War

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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:33 PM
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Well, the left are globalist, controlled by globalist interest (that includes many R's)

they want to form a global unified government with central planners that control everything and some countries/ people are getting in the way of that and they don't like that



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: AlienView


The Globalist lost the election! Chew on that for a bit.

Why have they deemed Nationalism as Racist when the meaning of the word is someone who supports their country? Is it only white people who love and support our sovereignty and Constitution? Nope! But listen to the MSM always saying "White Nationalists" and turning the term racist by using the precursor "white". Odd that people of many colors love our nation and Constitution?


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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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Because they can build off the legacy of the Cold War in most all of us, and being mostly white folks, the Russians are politically correct to hate. Putin, as a strong white male who constantly portrays himself as a very masculine man, is even more easily painted as an acceptable villain for the American left.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults


Spot on, Toys.

Let us not forget, in the 80's, Ted Kennedy sent a letter asking for Russian help defeating Reagan. I feel that the left is po'd at Trump for winning, and being able to have civil discourse with scary Vlad. They want no (R) or (c) to succeed, so they will start a new war with Russia like a 13 yo girl getting mad at her friend for dating the "drummer" from the middle school rock band.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:39 PM
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The War on Terror was the solution to the 'problem' of a lack of USSR to justify global hegemonic imperialism (tyranny). And now that's more and more a crap shoot who-gives-a-F affair, well time to dovetail a new Red Scare 2.0 out of all that noise and away we'll just keep going.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: AlienView

This is not nuclear physics, this anti-Russian plot, which btw includes Trump being elected president, was hatched because of the Russian intervention in Syria.

Its called

The Empire strikes back



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Add to that the intelligence community being run by the globalist cabal. The MSM run by them too.

Russia is a threat to that. The globalists have been busy transferring the rest of our wealth to China who they see as--and look forward to being--the next controlling superpower.




posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:42 PM
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The military industries and national security services must have an enemy to protect us from so they continue to rake in the billions of tax $$'s we ignorantly provide, and Russia has fit the bill since WWII.
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: toysforadults

Add to that the intelligence community being run by the globalist cabal. The MSM run by them too.

Russia is a threat to that. The globalists have been busy transferring the rest of our wealth to China who they see as--and look forward to being--the next controlling superpower.




Soros already came out and talked about how "they" the globalists were easing off of the dollar in favor of the Yuan. These dumb asses are so God like in their own minds and stupid that they broadcast their goals!

Unfortunately the people are dumber yet for hating the man while being the useful idiots the man is using to accomplish their goal of having us all wearing balls and chains.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:46 PM
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I don’t know how you folks can actually believe Trump is some kind of warrior against the deep state?

That’s a ridiculous proposition, with all due respect. WITH NO PROOF OF IT

He bombed Syria TWICE.

Billionaires and neocons all over his cabinet.

He is the best friend Israel ever had.

He coddles the rich

Just because he's an insular nationalist at best racist at worst doesn't make him anti deep state.

That looks like massive wish fulfillment

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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:47 PM
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Why are They trying to make the New Russia into an an enemy of the United States?

It just political theatre people.

After the midterms, and 2020 they'll be kissing Putins hind end again.




Cause it'd be all peregruzka again my fellow comrades.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
I don’t know how you folks can actually believe Trump is some kind of warrior against the deep state?

That’s a ridiculous proposition, with all due respect. WITH NO PROOF OF IT

He bombed Syria TWICE.

Billionaires and neocons all over his cabinet.

He is the best friend Israel ever had.

He coddles the rich

Just because he's an insular nationalist at best racist at worst doesn't make him anti deep state.

That looks like massive wish fulfillment


The only person who seems to be attacking the deep state IS Trump! Not because he wants to but because he has no choice since there are so many useful idiots that believe everything they hear from the "TUBE". When in the history of our country have so many people been so brain washed by the televison that we have EVER seen a President treated by the MSM this way? Before you answer that Will, how many Corporations control the MSM?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:53 PM
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Trump’s supposed anti deep state actions are actually LEFT WING actions.


Anti trade, tariffs, anti-NATO anti globalists are all progressive issues generally.

The anarchists have been having protests against globalism for decades


So are the left wing actions, btw done very sloppily and unwisely, indication that progressives are the biggest fighters against the deep state?

The extreme left has for years wanted to get in tune with Russia.

Are they anti deep state heroes?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Trump’s supposed anti deep state actions are actually LEFT WING actions.


Anti trade, tariffs, anti-NATO anti globalists are all progressive issues generally.

The anarchists have been having protests against globalism for decades


So are the left wing actions, btw done very sloppily and unwisely, indication that progressives are the biggest fighters against the deep state?

The extreme left has for years wanted to get in tune with Russia.

Are they anti deep state heroes?



Your so called Anarchists are biggest useful idiots the globalists are using to create the chaos they need! Ever hear the term order out of chaos?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
I don’t know how you folks can actually believe Trump is some kind of warrior against the deep state?

That’s a ridiculous proposition, with all due respect. WITH NO PROOF OF IT


a reply to: Willtell

Wait, you mean the CIA wont be shut down any day now?




originally posted by: Willtell
Trump’s supposed anti deep state actions are actually LEFT WING actions.


Anti trade, tariffs, anti-NATO anti globalists are all progressive issues generally.


And now they're the ones burning down a forums for criticizing Google, Twitter, Facebook, CNN, MSNBC, Apple, NBC, Disney, whatever... globalism... the likes of NAFTA, NATO, China, EU, etc...

The most hardcore groupthink lockstep, bass ackwards, hyper-tribalist, brazenly hypocritical sheep in USA history.

What the Democrat's did to the liberals after Dubya is as brutal a tragedy that could be imagined.



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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

How do you define the deep state?


Reagan tried to defy them and got shot.

Before he got in office he promised to never put a trilateralist in his cabinet.

A president can actually without even knowing it advocate things against the deep state. Though eventfully THEY ARE CORRECTED.


And they use people to further their causes.

Trump right now has many deep state neocons in his cabinet. MANY!


Just being against the MSM doesn't make one a deep state opponent. Like I said, the people at the Intercept and many leftwingers are very anti-MSM and they don't even believe in a deep state conspiracy theory.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss




And now they're the ones burning down a forums for criticizing Google, Twitter, Facebook, CNN, MSNBC, Apple, NBC, Disney, whatever... globalism... the likes of NAFTA, NATO, China, EU, etc... The most hardcore groupthink lockstep, bass ackwards, hyper-tribalist, brazenly hypocritical sheep in USA history.


I don't see your point here? Explain



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 08:04 PM
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Two reasons.

1) Simple means to an end. If they can spook the public into Trump opposition by relentlessly demonizing the Russians and selling the fake collusion story, mission accomplished; and

2) The Russians embarrassed the Obama administration after the reset. I know the left's theory is that Trump is thin skinned. But the truth is the left is far worse. Just look at how they behave about nearly everything.
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

You went out of your way to point out leftists as traditionally being against everything that is the platform of Obama / Hillary / DNC / Soros / etc, which I actually didnt challenge you on that, except to clarify your point into perspective.





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