Imagine That You Are an Arab...

I have read post after post started by CA. I have commented very little. I agree that he does indeed attempt to bring to us another point of view, and to perhaps enlighten us. If it was simply this as his motive I would look at his posts unbiased. The problem I have is from some of his posts where he tries to say in clouded words and links, from less than reputable sources, that the Jews were asking for the Holocaust, or that it didn't even happen. This was the one line of thinking that has me scratching my head when ever I see his posts.

CA I think you do have something to say, and I think that your contributions to these discussions and your own could be well met. However with post after post of biased and somewhat inflammatory remarks it makes it more difficult to get to the meat of your side of these topics.

I am here for one reason and one reason only, to get both views of all topics. So CA I say keep up the posts, but with the direction your posts have taken, please expect rebuttal to these posts and take them as you wish yours to be taken.

"Somewhere, someone will always disagree. It is how one tries to persuade the other he is right that makes it an intellectual debate, or a fight on the playground." �some guy

Originally posted by TheDeadEnigma
We are equals.

'What you do to your brother, you do to me.' Jesus

Peoples are not equals. Nations aren't equals. Civilisation are not equals. When you'll find a place where everyones and everything are equals, do me a sign.

Saying the peoples are equals is just an utopy.The last time I checked what were going on in the nature, I didn't see any equality.

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix

Originally posted by TheDeadEnigma
We are equals.

'What you do to your brother, you do to me.' Jesus

Peoples are not equals. Nations aren't equals. Civilisation are not equals. When you'll find a place where everyones and everything are equals, do me a sign.

Saying the peoples are equals is just an utopy.The last time I checked what were going on in the nature, I didn't see any equality.

Huh?...
Ok.

Everyone is equal. If by equal, you mean in terms of monetary/property wealth? Hmm.

In the end, all men will be equal-

Equality does not exist in nature.

If I am bigger and faster than you, I will beat you up or eat you.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Equality does not exist in nature.

If I am bigger and faster than you, I will beat you up or eat you.

Hence the famous quote "God made all men and Sam Colt made them equal"

HAHAHA.............

I see both sides.

The Jewish people believe (and I back them in that belief) that they have a God-given right to this "strip of land" they consider their homeland.

While they were off being scattered, homeless, re-established, falsely-accused, and near-annihilated (which took a HECK of a lot of years to get in), the peoples known now as "Palestinians" built homes, and farms and lineages and memories and commitments.

In 1948 the Jewish people regained what had been stripped away from them centuries ago. I stand firmly behind their claim that this a God-given inheritance.

HOWEVER, Palestinian families were abruptly uprooted. Lands and homes and memories and commitments - blood, sweat and tears of CENTURIES, were stripped away in a fortnight.

We can decide our allegiances, because this will come down to that. And the allegiance we commit to should be accepted. I will stand with the Jewish nation, but that does NOT mean I will not have compassion for the utter loss of the Palestinian people.

We should all strive to empathize with BOTH sides. That should not be read as "condoning acts" or even understanding what you perceive as hideous, inconceivable, incomprehensible acts...it merely means, empathize with the root wound that caused the situation.

Love your neighbor more than yourself.

[Edited on 4-7-2003 by Valhall]

Originally posted by Tyriffic
In the end, all men will be equal-

Very True.....

Originally posted by dragonrider

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Equality does not exist in nature.

If I am bigger and faster than you, I will beat you up or eat you.

Hence the famous quote "God made all men and Sam Colt made them equal"

HaHaHa...

In world of individuals were Darwinism is performed everyday, there is no way in hell that the word equal has any definition, except in Mathematics.

Originally posted by Valhall
I see both sides.

The Jewish people believe (and I back them in that belief) that they have a God-given right to this "strip of land" they consider their homeland.

While they were off being scattered, homeless, re-established, falsely-accused, and near-annihilated (which took a HECK of a lot of years to get in), the peoples known now as "Palestinians" built homes, and farms and lineages and memories and commitments.

In 1948 the Jewish people regained what had been stripped away from them centuries ago. I stand firmly behind their claim that this a God-given inheritance.

HOWEVER, Palestinian families were abruptly uprooted. Lands and homes and memories and commitments - blood, sweat and tears of CENTURIES, were stripped away in a fortnight.

We can decide our allegiances, because this will come down to that. And the allegiance we commit to should be accepted. I will stand with the Jewish nation, but that does NOT mean I will not have compassion for the utter loss of the Palestinian people.

We should all strive to empathize with BOTH sides. That should not be read as "condoning acts" or even understanding what you perceive as hideous, inconceivable, incomprehensible acts...it merely means, empathize with the root wound that caused the situation.

Love your neighbor more than yourself.

[Edited on 4-7-2003 by Valhall]

A diplomat shall ye be.

Originally posted by 10DeadInside10

Originally posted by Tyriffic
In the end, all men will be equal-

Very True.....

Sorry, it's not very true.Of course, when 2 guys are deads, they are equals ON EARTH. But if one have to go in hell and the other one to Heaven, I don't think they are still equals.

Equality is pure fiction. It's so true that we have to have laws saying we are all equals.If it was so true, we would not have to have these laws.

Sorry, but I do not believe in equality. I would like, but I cannot as I see inequality everywhere in the world.

Originally posted by Bout Time

And, as with my family, many Palestinians are Christians, don't paint them all as Islamic extremeists.

Very good point BT
, and not all muslims are "human bombs" as everyone thinks...
Not every arab, will put a bomb and try to blow up himself, actually there is really little that will do that.

Originally posted by Ash
I have read post after post started by CA. I have commented very little. I agree that he does indeed attempt to bring to us another point of view, and to perhaps enlighten us. If it was simply this as his motive I would look at his posts unbiased. The problem I have is from some of his posts where he tries to say in clouded words and links, from less than reputable sources, that the Jews were asking for the Holocaust, or that it didn't even happen. This was the one line of thinking that has me scratching my head when ever I see his posts.

CA I think you do have something to say, and I think that your contributions to these discussions and your own could be well met. However with post after post of biased and somewhat inflammatory remarks it makes it more difficult to get to the meat of your side of these topics.

I am here for one reason and one reason only, to get both views of all topics. So CA I say keep up the posts, but with the direction your posts have taken, please expect rebuttal to these posts and take them as you wish yours to be taken.

"Somewhere, someone will always disagree. It is how one tries to persuade the other he is right that makes it an intellectual debate, or a fight on the playground." �some guy

Ok, i see your point, and i expected such rebuttal , but not to call me stuff, i thought that was to disscuss about the matter, showing several points of view, and not accussing me of ratial hate...

But i appreciate your honest opinion, i�ll keep it up!

Of course the terrible West can't be blamed for this latest atrocity...

How about pointing the finger at the true issues that the Arab paople have to deal with, their own infighting, their own inompetent societies, etc...

BTW CA, thanks for giving me some fuel for my latest blog


asia.reuters.com...

UETTA, Pakistan (Reuters) - A suicide attack on a packed Shi'ite mosque in southwestern Pakistan during Friday prayers killed at least 44 people and wounded 65 others, the country's leading private emergency service said.

Describing what was the worst such attack in Pakistan in recent years, witnesses at the main Shi'ite mosque in the center of the city of Quetta reported seeing gunmen firing on worshippers before at least one suicide bomber blew himself up.

"According to our information, 44 people were killed and 65 wounded," Ali Murad of the Edhi Welfare Foundation told Reuters.

Shi'ite cleric Sheikh Mehdi Najafi, who was leading prayers at the time of the attack, gave a toll of 40 dead and 52 injured. Earlier, officials put the toll at 32 dead but said it could rise.

"I saw bodies blown to pieces," said worshipper Khan Ali, 60, who was slightly injured in the attack, which sparked angry protests among Shi'ite Muslims in the city.

[Edited on 4-7-2003 by Netchicken]

Originally posted by CoLD aNGeR
Have u ever p�t yourself in that situation?



�Why are Arabs always angry?� a reader recently asked me, in a message filled with sarcasm and thoughtlessness. I refrained from replying right a way, because he seemed little interested in listening. I couldn�t help but wonder how he might feel if he himself was an Arab. So, I am writing back ..

Imagine for a moment that you are an Arab.

For years you watch Palestinians being slaughtered, their land invaded and reinvaded, and for years witnessing the United States government block any attempt to punish those who aggressed upon the people whom you call �my people�.

Not only have the United States� vetoes at the United Nations Security Council suffocated any initiative to deploy even unarmed observers to provide badly needed protection for Palestinians, but, thanks to billions of annual US funds, Israel manages to expand illegal settlements and provide its army with the greatest killing machines of all time.


Rest of the article:

palestinechronicle.com...

More propaganda to muddle the truth.

The truth is the Arabs are no more concerned with the "Palestinians" as the man in the moon.

The "Palestinians" are in the situation they are in because of the Arabs. The Arabs have used them as a leveraging tool against the Jews and that is why they never absorbed the "Palestinians".

More propaganda for those who don't know the truth.

I don't see how this is any different than saying back in WW2, "Imagine you are a Nazi..."

Yes, imagine all they had to go through, all that they "believed".

It doesn't matter.

What matters is the Arab people have a responsibility to grow up and stop blowing themselves up for crap.

No one is taking their land anymore. That's a bunch of Crap...or are you forgeting they took the land that rightfully belonged to CHRISTIANS?

I mean god...Christianity wasn't "Rome" it was Egypt, and Arimethia, and the holy land.

And the Muslims TOOK it, injustly.

And now they whine that a few hundred square miles are taken back, because some nut tried to murder an entire race of people.

No...I'm going to have to go with the "Be the bigger man" issue here.

It is the responsibilities of the Arabs to over-throw their dictators, or let us...and to establish sanitary control over their lands.

And to stop bickering with eachother about their religion.

They need to learn OUR first amendment...because there's nothing more stupid then blowing eachother up over "no man you're supposed to pray with your head down 27 degrees and your arms no more than 7 inches from your head."

Imagine that I'm an Arab....

Would Imagining that I'm a Nazi, make the Nazi idea any more right?

No...I may suddenly realize why the Germans never STOPPED Hitler themselves...but doesn't mean we can sit by and simply say "Boys will be boys..."

It is obvious that most of you here believe that the average class bully deems all of those who attend the same class as bullies as well. For if you didn't believe that than you wouldn't believe if one extremist group, or groups that lives in one place makes all those that live in and around them extremist as well. Please explain that logic. Cause if you ask me that isn't logical at all.

It isn't fair to label the bulk of the Arab World in the ways that have been done here by you. I don't ever hear Arabs in America say Israel should be destroyed. I may read that junk on a website here and there but that website doesn't represent millions upon millions of people. Please stop this crusade. It is becoming quite absurd if you ask me.

I can only speak for myself. I suppose snytax sometimes doesn't convey a mesage. I would hope that reasonable thinking people realize all members of a group are not of one mind. Yet, it is the way of people to add a characteristic to (stereotype) a group if that trait is always in the forefront...that said, I was affiliated with our metro library here (#1 in USA 1999!!) and had the privelige to work with and for people of different walks;middle easterners, sub-saharan Africans etc... none tried to blow me up!!! It is the violent extreme agent(s) who make a name for themselves. Nobody hears about the black kid in Harlem who just got a scholarship to a ivy league school-they think of the crack head who just burglarized a old lady for her pension check. Perception...

When it is all said and done what was just said by Tyriffic is very true. We here in America don't label the average black man a crack head just because many of his brethren are crackheads. Just as we don't label the average German a Nazi because his or her fore fathers were Nazis. So let me ask you this Tyriffic:

Why is it that when it comes to Arabs in general that people often label them as non-peace loving peoples just because some of their brethren and fore fathers are or were non-peace loving men and women???

I just don't get it. Do you???