Communism Killed 100 Million People in 20th Century. Underestimate no doubt

As we live our day to day lives it is easy to think about the short term instead of the long term for survival of a society.

I am posting this thread for those who think Communism and Socialism are OK. In my life time I have lived under military dictators, Kings, and had several friends who survived the Chinese cultural revolution. Laos is Still communist and seems to work well for them unless you are a "someone" who gets cross with a political..

Justice in many countries boils down to who you know and who you can bribe IMO.
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The horrors of communism has filled up endless books. At least 100 million people died under self-described communist regimes. Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, and Kim Il Sung are among the chief killers.

Right now—that’s right, today—the Chinese Communist Party is reportedly killing prisoners of conscience, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, for their organs.

This isn’t about liberal or conservative politics. Under communist systems, the freedom of speech, religion, and self-expression are criminalized. Under these systems, people were thrown into Soviet Gulags, Chinese laogai, or were simply buried alive—like in Cambodia’s Killing Fields, where entire families were marched to a secluded area and were ordered to dig their own graves. They weren’t shot, but were stabbed, poisoned, or beaten to death. Bullets weren’t to be wasted, on the orders from Pol Pot himself.

Great movie I saw some time ago titled "First they Killed my Father". It is about Cambodia where depending on who you want to listen to somewhere between 2 and 3+ million were starved to death or just outright killed.

Remember Tibet and China... maybe not as there are many young people with very little history but look at the present day Uyghurs of western China.. ?

When the communist Chinese decide to crack down on some segment of the population (even their own remember china's tiananmen square) many heads and bodies get cracked and it does not matter if you are a child, a monk, woman, or and old man. "PREPARE TO GET CRACKED"!

If you think that Adolf Hitler killed the most people in human history, you’d be wrong. Mao and Stalin far outpaced the Nazi dictator, killing tens of millions more. Mao is estimated to have killed as many as 70 million. Stalin about 40 million. Pol Pot of Cambodia—in just four years in the late 1970s—left 1.7 million to 3 million dead, out of a country of only 8 million people. When communism reached East Africa, particularly in Ethiopia during the 15-year-rule of heartless dictator Mengitsu, 1.5 million died.

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OK I figure some get the idea so let us move over to "communist lite" .

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Socialism is:

The taking of money (taxes) from some people who work for it and giving it to others who don’t work for it. On a grand scale.

The vast expansion of freebies doled out by central government. In order to create and sustain dependence.

The government protection of favored persons and corporations, permitting them and aiding them to expand their fortunes without limit, regardless of what crimes they commit in the process. (Monsanto would be a fine example.)

The squeezing out of those who would compete with the favored persons and corporations.

The dictatorship by and for the very wealthy, pretending to be the servant of the masses.

The lie that the dictatorship is being run by the masses.

The gradual lowering of the standard of living for the overwhelming number of people.

The propaganda claiming socialism is the path to a better world for all.

In other words, socialism is a protection racket and a long con and a heartless system of elite control, posing as the greatest good.

It is just another form of top-down tyranny—as old as the hills.

Socialism is, in the minds of most people who advocate it, a vague sentiment about people being kinder to each other.

Which is a noble idea, but very far removed from the truth of socialism once fully enacted.

Now there will be someone come by and explain how socialism is different from communism.. On paper that may be true but in actuality the end result seems to always be the same.. youtu.be...

Yep, Stalin, Mao and all the rest were ideologically driven mass murderers.

However, in the great scheme of things Venezuela is minor and well below the Russian/Soviets, Chinese, Cambodia, Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, Afghanistan et al.

a reply to: 727Sky

This is why I get pissed at these socialist Democrats,they are hell bent on removing history,why? because history is the truth,any one with any common sense would see the destructive nature of communism,but society today has been instructed to have others do for you,if one were to spend a few minutes studying the actual facts,the problem is some of weak minded need the government to care for them,only care about themselves,but use a guise to try and disguise it

originally posted by: paraphi
Yep, Stalin, Mao and all the rest were ideologically driven mass murderers.

However, in the great scheme of things Venezuela is minor and well below the Russian/Soviets, Chinese, Cambodia, Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, Afghanistan et al.

While that is true they are just getting warmed up ... "Venezuela crisis: UN says security forces killed hundreds" which was a BBC article on 22 June 2018
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Venezuelan security forces have carried out hundreds of arbitrary killings under the guise of fighting crime, the UN's human rights body says.

In a report, it cites "shocking" accounts of young men being killed during operations, often in poor districts, over the past three years.

The UN's human rights chief said no-one was being held to account, suggesting the rule of law was "virtually absent".

Same old play book.. Can not feed them all so Kill the rest or anyone who might cause problems for the regime. No judge no jury just a bullet which is better than many receive. The old dig your own grave and be buried semi conscience but alive after being hit in the head by you shovel was always a great way to keep control of the masses once they know what awaits them if they step out of line.

Yep, saddened me to hear that in the area I grew up in they have slowly phased history out, its now blended with another class and all they do is memorize dates rather than actually read and try to comprehend what came before them.

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The democrats aren't a socialist party you know this right?

You wanna know what I hate, when people pile drive misinformation about a political party so much they think it's real. You honestly think ANY political party in the US would get even a fighting chance in a election if they were socialist?

This is it. America really is screwed, republicans have spread so much BS in the last two years there's no going back, people actually believe just because left leaning and centrist people voted for democrats they are a were a left leaning platform, they weren't in fact they were most right leaning with left leaning ideas but with conservative values.

Also to add to the topic, Venezuela is in a crisis because of capitalism, and dumb government, not because of socialism, they took out massive loans they could not pay back. They were in way to far over their head to get involved with blood sucking monsters in the oil game.
Socialism works fine if you don't let a crazy person run the nation and turns it into communism, or you get out side influences lending 'help'.

Americas forefathers warned of these things. The sad thing is its our fault, the peoples fault we didnt keep our government in check. It was our duty to keep the government in check. Now they have everybody down eachothers throats. Piece by piece our liberties are being stripped, they are trying to take our guns and now freedom of speach. Im calling it now, all this fake news is intentional to make people cry to get rid of the freedom of the press, then our speach, then our guns. When people are starting to see loved ones thrown in prison for our birth givin rights we can look at our neighbors and in the mirror to think ourselves for letting it get this far.

If the government fears the people, then the people are free, if the people fear the government then the people are not free...

Ideas cannot kill people.

Communism has never killed a single person. Neither has Capitalism, or Fascism.

a reply to: 727Sky

Bombs and bullets have killed far more.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Ideas cannot kill people.

Communism has never killed a single person. Neither has Capitalism, or Fascism.

That sounds like some FOS college course. Someone had the idea to start the killing...someone in the power structure.. Obey my dictates/laws or die by my enforcers.. That is why I like "no one rules if no one obeys"...

a reply to: 727Sky

In this book I recently read - None Dare Call it Conspiracy by Gary Allen, 1971, (Link to book), he believes the globalist insiders who also operate in the US, will try to establish socialism here also in the US as the rest of the world, to establish centralized control. He believes it will be sold as if it were a movement of the downtrodden masses.

It would be more accurate to say that not being able to select the leaders of your political system killed all those people.
Something the EU supporters would do well to remember.

We should establish the fact that communist ideology calls for the elimination of the State, Government, Monetary systems, etc.

we should also establish the fact that these "communist countries" were ruled by communist dictators that established "state-socialism" which is not communism as the original ideology intended


we should also establish the fact that millions(plus) of people have died under Capitalism as well, and if we are going to "learn anything" it should be that any economic/social-system requires 'force' to impose, even the "radical-leftist" ones

originally posted by: Ohanka
Ideas cannot kill people.

Communism has never killed a single person. Neither has Capitalism, or Fascism.

Communism can work if the leadership has good benevolent intentions. However if the leaderships intentions are for a greedy special interest dictatorship then socialism/communism will enable that.

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I bet the article was written by Imperialism friends …. I live in Norway and the whole Scandinavia is under the same rules AKA Social Democratic “communism to you”. Ever heard of any Scandinavian country caused wars, famine, god forbids killing and devastating other countries since the Viking time?


Where, Imperialism doing their stupid stuff for at least 1500 years till now (start with the Britain).

a reply to: 727Sky

Run-ro... other Holocausts you say? I didn’t see a reference to the Armenian atrocticty, and I apologize if so missed that one, otherwise you spit on amigo.

iShoot me for thinking of the dog from DuckHunt as in 3,2,1 people claim, like Highlander, “there can be only One”

originally posted by: Ohanka
Ideas cannot kill people.

Communism has never killed a single person. Neither has Capitalism, or Fascism.

Oh your so wrong ideas can change the world both good and bad. The U.S. Senate Internal Security Subcommittee conducted investigations into the number killed in the Soviet Union and China. Their report stated that 35 million to 45 million had been killed in the Soviet Union and 34 million to 62.5 million in Communist China.

The problem is with communism you have you remove the people that will oppose it.Marx states in the Communist Manifesto: "Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of the conditions of your bourgeois production." Marxism teaches that the economic environment creates the ideas, attitudes and impulses that constitute human nature. And Human nature must be controlled because human nature will always lead to acquisitive and selfish behavior.

Theres a term that sums it up nicely, Im going to get mine.

a reply to: Kkintekk

So your argument is the 1500s are the cutoff for misguided deeds?

originally posted by: nOraKat

originally posted by: Ohanka
Ideas cannot kill people.

Communism has never killed a single person. Neither has Capitalism, or Fascism.

Communism can work if the leadership has good benevolent intentions. However if the leaderships intentions are for a greedy special interest dictatorship then socialism/communism will enable that.

So when the robots take over, maybe communism will have a chance.

a reply to: 727Sky

I'm pretty sure Chairman Mao was at least 50 million, Stalins' USSR wasn't that far behind, and that's not including the Khmer Rouge and the others.

100 million would be the minimum methinks.