Some good examples please. Specifically during his regime. Oh and lessening of sanctions isn't a reward to help save you time. It's a lessening of
a punishment with the implied threat of more punishment.
Before you run off "For shame!"-ing me, realize that the structure of the meeting allowed TWO different versions of the meeting to be told: one
from Trump's view and one from Kim's view. The only people in the room were those two and translators.
That possibility exists in every situation. Do you really think that they have forced arbitration via a witness? Ever? North Korea and the USA are
sovereign countries... if they want to do something bad enough, only force can stop them.
I think it's a piece of paper that Kim can wave and then do whatever he likes. Plus he got a concession on one item he's been after for a long
time - ceasing exercises in the area. We got "I'm committed to it... in the future (whenever that is.)"
Again, no troops withdrawn. Everything is right where it was before the summit.
Kim has already made concessions: he voluntarily stopped his missile tests (to Japan's great relief, since they were loosely aimed in their
direction). We made a similar concession. He still has his missiles; we still have our troops. Maybe you really aren't aware of this, but it is
customary to give a little to get a little. The only problem there is when someone (*cough* Obama *cough*) gives everything up front and then gets as
little as the enemy thinks they can get away with giving up (*cough* Iran *cough*).
This is the first time any US President has ever met face to face with any North Korean leader, certainly the first time Kim and Trump
have met face to face. What exactly did you expect in two hours?
So did my dad. And my brother. And I'm not being disrespectful.
I happen to think you were. You accepted the word of a known propaganda machine operated wholly by Kim over that of our Commander in Chief without
questioning it. If that is not disrespectful to our military, I don't know what is.
And with Kim's recent behavior, I see no reason to step down the situation.
So you prefer war over letting Trump attempt peace talks.
We've been trying to do this for the past 50 years.
So just give up and accept war?
That is what you are proposing. No talks equals war.
Well, no, they're not in the air that fast. And I do know how long it takes to scramble troops in an emergency (and how things have to go
through command chains and everyone has to be rounded up from wherever they are, and fueling has to be done, etc, etc, etc. Hollywood movies give an
unrealistic view of how long it takes to coordinate and launch an attack. The destroyers and subs my son served on can't teleport to a strike range
that quickly, either.
I'm not far off. In the attack on Pearl Harbor, it was by complete and utter surprise, yet a few planes manged to still get in the air. Not enough, of
The difference here is that nothing else has been stepped down. We will stop conducting joint military training exercises near the DMZ as long as Kim
stops firing missiles toward our allies. That in itself is a reasonable deal. Our troops are still on alert (they're in Korea, duh), and have the
benefit of long range sensors (that weren't available in 1941).
And yes, I'd like to see the troops home. But first I want to see Kim reined in.
By force only, I take it.
As they've done before. If you recall, the groundwork this time was laid back in April. They've been negotiating for peace since
It would be helpful if we had some sort of set policy for how long we can talk to another nation before launching attacks.
I always assumed it was as long as possible/necessary to prevent war. My bad.
I think that the two different versions of what was said at the talks are both correct. You seem terribly upset that I would think that North
Korea is saying and believing something very different than what Trump says and believes.
I am upset that someone as intelligent as yourself would take the word of North Korean media over that of our top commander. No information whatsoever
is allowed to be presented on air in North Korea unless scripted by Kim's regime. Any deviation is punishable by death. All you get from their media
is what Kim wants them to have.
We have biased media here, too, but nothing like they do. At least we get both biases. We know this from the few defectors that have managed to escape
You seriously need to get your ire under control (as I do mine, I suppose). I don't care if you hate Trump, but when you start giving aid and comfort
to the enemy, you are insulting every single soldier that ever marched under our flag... including my kin. Yes, dammit, that upsets me. Thank God it
does. It should you, too.
ETA: This video of a defector is worth the time IMO to try and understand the situation through the eyes of the people of North Korea:
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He's a lot more open to change than he's given credit for. I worked for an ex Grenadier Guard Billy Wilson, aka Mr Mouse of Tough Guy fame - we were
in talks to build an army assault course and peace garden in the DMZ zone to solve the conflict for years in our War Without Weapons (compete in
assault courses, not wars) that has 52 counties signed up to it.
He was up for a boxing match with my boss to solve the conflict a few years back, only just missed out on funding for it from Branson.
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