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A transgender man told he had to be named the Father after giving birth to the child

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posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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Transgender man wants to be named father
www.bbc.com...


A transgender man wants to be listed as his baby's father or parent after being told he had to be named the mother because he gave birth to the child.

The High Court was told he was born a woman but had legally become a man by the time of the birth.

He is challenging a law which requires people who give birth to be registered as mothers.

If successful, his child could become the first person born in England and Wales to not legally have a mother.

His lawyers said a registrar told the man the law required people who give birth to be registered as mothers.

The man is accusing the body set up to administer statutory provisions relating to the registration of births and deaths of discrimination.

Forcing him to register as the child's "mother" breaches his human right to respect for private and family life, he claims.

The man, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, says such "interference" is not proportionate or necessary in the light of changes which have "evolved in society".

On Thursday, a judge heard preliminary arguments from lawyers representing the man and lawyers representing the Registrar General for England and Wales at a High Court hearing in London.

Lawyers say other transgender men have given birth but have been registered on birth certificates as mothers.

They say if the man wins his fight the child will be the first person born in England or Wales not to legally have a mother.


If someone wants to change their sex to the other plumbing that is their right to decide that. But legally speaking things go back to the birth certificate. While I agree with the fact that those who give birth to a child should be called 'mother'...it is the TG movement that is skewing things with the twisting of the existing laws, codes, definitions or whatever you want to call it.

My opinion to be neutral on the subject, on the child's birth certificate the TG should be listed as their 'parent'. Call me old school...but a man changing his plumbing to their sexual counterpart is not a natural birthing process and being a man to start with...he technically is a father with a woman's sex organs. My opinion only.

edit on 7-6-2018 by Skywatcher2011 because: edit title and thread comment

edit on 7-6-2018 by Skywatcher2011 because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:36 PM
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Your title is wrong.

I am fairly live and let live. If people feel like they are the opposite sex they were born with, fine, whatever.

But to what degree are the rest of us forced to participate in their reality?

Ask 100 people what you'd call someone who just gave birth to a child. I'd wager 100 out of 100 would say "mother" or some synonym thereof.

Some things are just hard facts, no matter what your definition of "is" is.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:46 PM
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This could be great for men born as men who will struggle with child custody cases. If the edges are blurred on what makes a Mother and what makes a Farthe then old stereotypes that dictate current law will have to be changed.

Hope this person wins there case.
edit on 7-6-2018 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)


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posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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I have so much trouble following this nonsense anymore.

It sounds like this chick sewed a dick onto herself while pregnant.

If that's the case, the child should be removed from that home immediately, for it's own safety.

If I've misinterpreted, f# it.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

I call BS. How did the baby come out of he had sex change before the birth? Did he pass a baby though his penis or through his butthole?



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011


I want to be 30 years old.
I'm not.
Wanting something does not make it reality.
Pretending doesn't either.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:55 PM
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This level of ignorance about transgenderism is always expected.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: RowanBean
This level of ignorance about transgenderism is always expected.


Nah, it's just the lack of give a #.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Skywatcher2011


I want to be 30 years old.
I'm not.
Wanting something does not make it reality.
Pretending doesn't either.

But ... But ... what about 'the perception? What about intent? /SARC
LMAO



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: RowanBean
This level of ignorance about transgenderism is always expected.


Nah, it's just the lack of give a #.

Your other post is an example of ignorance.
Comparing transgenderism to pretending to be of any age is silly.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:02 PM
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Go ahead. Keep trying to convince people that we're not dealing with mental illness.

Yeah. This is COMPLETELY normal.

How else do you explain "Speaking of things that are not, as though they were"

Faith?



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: RowanBean

Not really.
When you are born with a penis you are a male.
That is pretty much the definition of being a male.. Genitalia



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:05 PM
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Applying for a loan ?
What is your mother's maiden name ? - N/A



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: cynicalheathen
Your title is wrong.

I am fairly live and let live. If people feel like they are the opposite sex they were born with, fine, whatever.

But to what degree are the rest of us forced to participate in their reality?

Ask 100 people what you'd call someone who just gave birth to a child. I'd wager 100 out of 100 would say "mother" or some synonym thereof.

Some things are just hard facts, no matter what your definition of "is" is.


Maybe someone else could/can, but I couldn’t have said it any better!




posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: RowanBean

Not really.
When you are born with a penis you are a male.
That is pretty much the definition of being a male.. Genitalia

We are not talking about biological sex. We're talking about gender.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: RowanBean

Not really.
When you are born with a penis you are a male.
That is pretty much the definition of being a male.. Genitalia

We are not talking about biological sex. We're talking about gender.


Oh. Well it ALL makes sense now.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: RowanBean

it is very tricky, huh?

i celebrate the advances of the transgendered in general. but the changing of public documents is pushing the limit.... especially in this case.


hopefully wiser minds than mine will prevail.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: MteWamp

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: RowanBean

Not really.
When you are born with a penis you are a male.
That is pretty much the definition of being a male.. Genitalia

We are not talking about biological sex. We're talking about gender.


Oh. Well it ALL makes sense now.

Good. Glad you now understand.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: tgidkp
a reply to: RowanBean

it is very tricky, huh?

i celebrate the advances of the transgendered in general. but the changing of public documents is pushing the limit.... especially in this case.


hopefully wiser minds than mine will prevail.

I'm not sure about this but hey if that's what he wants then go for it. It doesn't bother us.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: RowanBean

Their biological sex allowed for conception, in other words motherhood, so how does gender indentity apply to this circumstance?




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