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A transgender man wants to be listed as his baby's father or parent after being told he had to be named the mother because he gave birth to the child.
The High Court was told he was born a woman but had legally become a man by the time of the birth.
He is challenging a law which requires people who give birth to be registered as mothers.
If successful, his child could become the first person born in England and Wales to not legally have a mother.
His lawyers said a registrar told the man the law required people who give birth to be registered as mothers.
The man is accusing the body set up to administer statutory provisions relating to the registration of births and deaths of discrimination.
Forcing him to register as the child's "mother" breaches his human right to respect for private and family life, he claims.
The man, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, says such "interference" is not proportionate or necessary in the light of changes which have "evolved in society".
On Thursday, a judge heard preliminary arguments from lawyers representing the man and lawyers representing the Registrar General for England and Wales at a High Court hearing in London.
Lawyers say other transgender men have given birth but have been registered on birth certificates as mothers.
They say if the man wins his fight the child will be the first person born in England or Wales not to legally have a mother.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Skywatcher2011
I want to be 30 years old.
I'm not.
Wanting something does not make it reality.
Pretending doesn't either.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
originally posted by: RowanBean
This level of ignorance about transgenderism is always expected.
Nah, it's just the lack of give a #.
originally posted by: cynicalheathen
Your title is wrong.
I am fairly live and let live. If people feel like they are the opposite sex they were born with, fine, whatever.
But to what degree are the rest of us forced to participate in their reality?
Ask 100 people what you'd call someone who just gave birth to a child. I'd wager 100 out of 100 would say "mother" or some synonym thereof.
Some things are just hard facts, no matter what your definition of "is" is.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: RowanBean
Not really.
When you are born with a penis you are a male.
That is pretty much the definition of being a male.. Genitalia
originally posted by: RowanBean
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: RowanBean
Not really.
When you are born with a penis you are a male.
That is pretty much the definition of being a male.. Genitalia
We are not talking about biological sex. We're talking about gender.
originally posted by: MteWamp
originally posted by: RowanBean
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: RowanBean
Not really.
When you are born with a penis you are a male.
That is pretty much the definition of being a male.. Genitalia
We are not talking about biological sex. We're talking about gender.
Oh. Well it ALL makes sense now.
originally posted by: tgidkp
a reply to: RowanBean
it is very tricky, huh?
i celebrate the advances of the transgendered in general. but the changing of public documents is pushing the limit.... especially in this case.
hopefully wiser minds than mine will prevail.