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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Boadicea
I believe the logic falls apart when you remove the act of outward expression from the equation in order to ascertain the meaning of gender independently of that expression.
Including the influence of nature vs. nurture.
I simply fail to see what we can learn from taking the outward expression of gender out of the equation when far more insightful and empirical avenues are available.
originally posted by: tgidkp
i recently watched a TED talk, the speaker of which and the topic was on his (female to male) transition...
...it was plenty IMO awful in the several ways such as suggesting that society ought to change in order to accommodate transgendered, such as having the correct pronoun on the driver's license. some things are just over the top IMO. (i am a gay man).
...but his message was effective in one particular aspect, in which he proposed simply to imagine yourself getting up in the morning and on your trip to the bathroom, looking in the mirror and seeing, to your horror that you no longer had any breasts.... and worse, removing your pants to find that you have a penis!
when i imagined this for myself, i understood the special type of hell it would be for me to see (and feel) a vagina down there. as a gay, i have spent a lifetime wanting to have as little as possible with vaginas!
so yeah. i get that there is a profound and difficult to explain sense of beingness associated with what you 'expect' to see in the mirror.
good of you to try to come to an understanding of queer-types. as common as tolerance and acceptance are these days, we still have a long way to go before our 'otherness' disappears from the cultural landscape.
and thank you for adding "acceptance"! I really don't like the word "tolerance" because it implies that one is just putting up with bad behavior. I much prefer "acceptance" and "respect."
Understanding is where I am right now.
I have found that sticking to the data is both enlightening and a sort of grease for the cogs of discussion.
Both a practical and productive approach in many ways and for many reasons. I think at this point that any approach that doesn't involve insults and fighting as practical and productive.
originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
a reply to: Boadicea
a report published in April 2011 by the Williams Institute estimated that 3.8 percent of Americans identified as gay/lesbian, bisexual, or transgender: 1.7 percent as lesbian or gay, 1.8 percent as bisexual, and 0.3 percent as transgender.
there are literally far less trans people then there are reporters talking about trans people, people discussing and questioning trans people.
there are far far more conspiracy theorists in this nation alone then there are trans worldwide.
wheres our acceptance? wheres our cultural movement?!