Devin Nunes: AG Jeff Sessions should be held in contempt of Congress

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

They're not investigating to find a crime. Jesus you guys act like these folks are making up rules out in the parking lot before they go into court. They are following the law. You can think they're not but this isn't a game and these guys are not the armchair litigators this forum is full of. It''s too funny that you all think they're just breaking laws and nobody is doing a thing about it. and that stunningly y'all think you know more than them. Looking up codes and subsets on government websites to prove you do...lol... as if you have the background to interpret them.
These guys are the best of the best you can't compete with them. (disclaimer in this post you and you guys isn't you personally in particular no offense intended to you

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you do understand this is what the church told the people during the dark ages.....no one but them could interpret the bible....it is why Gutenberg is so famous and influential the free spread of information....lol now the dems want to roll that back...oh no, you can't read english at an eighth grade level....
deny ignorance indeed

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: luthier

Telling the Judge they don't need to see the scope memo is a problem. That's not a leak issue. Why wouldn't he want the Judge to see the memo?

They may not want him to see the memo because it would expose the direction of the investigation and they don't trust it won't be leaked.

Now they agreed to it and so did the judge if it were sealed for the judge only.

You can't keep it from the judge, it's like telling the judge you don't need to show you had a warrant. The fact you are defending that is disgusting. It can't be leaked, it can be shown closed doors with only the Judge seeing it.

You throwing away not only your rights, but mine as well to embarrass Trump is disgusting.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: luthier

Telling the Judge they don't need to see the scope memo is a problem. That's not a leak issue. Why wouldn't he want the Judge to see the memo?

They may not want him to see the memo because it would expose the direction of the investigation and they don't trust it won't be leaked.

Now they agreed to it and so did the judge if it were sealed for the judge only.

You can't keep it from the judge, it's like telling the judge you don't need to show you had a warrant. The fact you are defending that is disgusting. It can't be leaked, it can be shown closed doors with only the Judge seeing it.

You throwing away not only your rights, but mine as well to embarrass Trump is disgusting.

They didn't. They made sure it's sealed.

Manafort also wants to know the case right?

The judge has a history of flair with prosecutors?

a reply to: luthier

Mueller wanted the Judge to not see it at all. The Judge said it can be closed doors where it will remain a secret and Mueller still wanted to keep the Judge from seeing it.

Does Manafort want to know about the case ... I don't know, does someone who is accused of a crime have a right to know whether their rights as an American citizen were trampled? If your rights were violated do you think you deserve to know that?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: luthier

Mueller wanted the Judge to not see it at all. The Judge said it can be closed doors where it will remain a secret and Mueller still wanted to keep the Judge from seeing it.

Does Manafort want to know about the case ... I don't know, does someone who is accused of a crime have a right to know whether their rights as an American citizen were trampled? If your rights were violated do you think you deserve to know that?

You just explained the normal court process.

One Rudy himself used.

Hysterics over nothing.

a reply to: luthier

No. Please show me where it's normal to tell the court they don't need to see proof the investigation is valid.

You are saying when a Judge asks to see the warrant the Prosecution NORMALLY tells the Judge no and to just trust them?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

"dis·cov·er·y
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See #2....

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Prosecutors try everything under the book. Just look at prosecutor immunity.

Mueller is worried about leaks. They happen all the time just ask leaky nunes

a reply to: luthier

No, he's not. There is no leak issue here, none, zero. He tried telling the Judge he didn't have clearance .. and the Judge set him straight.

Mueller doesn't want the Judge to see whether the investigation is legal.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: luthier

Telling the Judge they don't need to see the scope memo is a problem. That's not a leak issue. Why wouldn't he want the Judge to see the memo?

Because Muellers doing stuff outside the official scope. The Russian company he indicted has also decided to fight th echarges and as such will be able to get access to th escope letter as well. Rosenstein will have to be stripped of his power(but keep his job) to do this.

a reply to: yuppa

The Russians asked for every instance the US has interfered in elections as part of their defense.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: luthier

No, he's not. There is no leak issue here, none, zero. He tried telling the Judge he didn't have clearance .. and the Judge set him straight.

Mueller doesn't want the Judge to see whether the investigation is legal.

Total speculation on your part.

The comey memo was leaked minutes after released.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: luthier

Telling the Judge they don't need to see the scope memo is a problem. That's not a leak issue. Why wouldn't he want the Judge to see the memo?

Because Muellers doing stuff outside the official scope. The Russian company he indicted has also decided to fight th echarges and as such will be able to get access to th escope letter as well. Rosenstein will have to be stripped of his power(but keep his job) to do this.

Prove it. The man who wrote the mandate says different.


Mueller is stalling to get his case together as tight as possible before it's dribbled out in motion hearings.

It's completely common to use depositions, motion hearings etc to expose the case of a prosecutor.

And totally common for prosecutors to try every trick under the book to build a case.

Whether it's ethical or should be allowed is a separate issue.

originally posted by: luthier

Prove it.

The onus is on him, not us. He has to prove he is within the scope of the memo .. if he can't, then he's not.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: luthier

No, he's not. There is no leak issue here, none, zero. He tried telling the Judge he didn't have clearance .. and the Judge set him straight.

Mueller doesn't want the Judge to see whether the investigation is legal.

Total speculation on your part.

The comey memo was leaked minutes after released.

What Comey memo was given to a Judge hearing a case about the memo behind closed doors and then leaked by that Judge?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Dude the hearing was a motion from manafort.

In which he basically lost. The judge will see what ronstein already said which is Mueller is in bounds.

If anything Ron botched the mandate.

What Mueller did here was prevent the mandate from being seen by the defense.

originally posted by: luthierThe judge will see what ronstein already said which is Mueller is in bounds.

That's funny since they claim part of the mandate is VERBAL .. which it can't be. So you must know what is written since you are so sure, please tell me what is written?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

How do you know it's verbal?

I don't know what's written.

I do know the person in charge of Mueller, who trump appointed, has publicly stated they have discussed the aspects in question.

a reply to: luthier

Downing seems to be pretty sure it's well documented.

Manafort’s attorney Kevin Downing told the court he was convinced there are a series of hard copy records or notes Rosenstein kept which document the steps he or others took before appointing special counsel.

“Before deciding the motion, all we ask is that the government provide a written record of those activities. Rosenstein had a process to determine if there was a conflict, which gave rise to Special Counsel,” the attorney said.

“I know him,” Downing said of Rosenstein, which who he worked with for five years at the Justice Department. “He’s a stickler for written records and those records may show if he violated the regulations appointing a special counsel.”

www.courthousenews.com...


In any case, the judge should be getting what he asked for within a couple of weeks.

a reply to: Phage

Personally I thought Mueller won since he wasn't forced to show the defense the records but I guess the "verbal scolding" was more important to some.