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originally posted by: stormcell
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
Asperger's syndrome is just a made up condition... for people that don't like making eye contact with strangers and who refuse to comply with social norms, due to a superiority complex, which convinces them they're 'above' the common folk.
I do love what Hollywood has done with the mythical condition though... Sheldon Cooper on 'The big bang theory' and Abed on 'Community', are totally bad arse...
It was known that only children who had lost their fathers during the war, were more likely to suffer from Aspergers. It's not due to a superiority complex, but simply due to them never having anyone to practice socializing with. They just did their own thing through lack of social contact. Parents never having parties meant they never had any practise learning from children older than themselves or their parents; boys copy their dads, girls copy their mothers.
Nothing physiological or mental but just a lack of social experience.
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
Genuine questioning topic so don't get all arsey and pissed off by my anecdotal observations.
Every documentary/news piece I see on kids with such diagnosis it is always a single mother parent. No dad on the scene offering dad 'justice'.
I was just watching one now, the 12 year old was effectively beating his mother up and there was nothing she could do.
So how have all these diagnosis become a thing?
I can't comment for the US but I know some members will suggest diet etc because you sell your citizens #ty additive ridden food which the EU doesn't. That said, why the 'explosion' of diagnosis in the UK when our food is so different to yours?
My gut instinct is lack of fear.
Lack of fear of dad, or mam's partner.
I have friends who are highly autistic and all of them at some point have got arsey with me me and I've replied with something like "Do that again and I'll knock you the # out you cheeky #" or similar. It's amazing, functioning autistic people understand fear of having a smack in the face if they attack me. 100% success rate, no need for therapy, just an understanding that if you do X or Y then expect me to react in a way I would to anyone treating me like a prick.
70's/80's/90's Britain kids knew that, and there were much fewer kids with a 'diagnosis' because fear of punishment, or rather reasonable force and defence against violent behaviour, so they behaved.
Call me a prick who doesn't understand the finer points of welfare for people on the spectrum, but it is a fact that every person I've ever met who is claimed to be on the spectrum behaves themself with me because they don't want a violent defensive reaction. Every person I've ever met in fact, look in the eye "don't try your # with me" and they behave.
I'm not calling for corporal punishment, but they understand fear of violence so if they are acting violently I genuinely think the lack of fathers on the scene is a contributing factor.
I told a guy the other day he was milking his autism, and I saw in his eyes he knew he'd been sprung.
All thoughts welcome, including outraged parents of children on the spectrum.
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: one4all
So can you explain why 'spectrum' boys attack their mothers but not males who will fight back, choosing instead the tantrum on the floor in the corner?
I suggest they understand self preservation and don't wan't to get hurt by someone who will defend themselves, ie, they can control their behaviour after all.
Obviously please offer another suggestion if you think I'm incorrect in my musings.
originally posted by: InvisibleLady
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
I am not advocating violence or child beating (as some would accuse you of, or accuse me of because I simply just said those words).
Hope this helps. Let me know if I can help in any other ways. Such people are absolutely brilliant, they operate in ways most of us will never achieve (I often feel like a drugged snail next to them) and it’s often frustrating trying to communicate with such as their communication abilities are weaker, less developed BUT they still have the same wants, feelings and intelligence as anyone else. They are not stupid or less than anyone else; their brains just work in a different way. And, what is normal??? I think that’s the big question. We must, as a society, stop thinking of everyone as having to belong in the same “box” in terms of what is normal.
originally posted by: one4all
Hope this helps.....LMAO.....nice hatchet job there Doc Holiday.....lol....spare us the passive aggressive propoganda......
Their communication abiities are not weaker....lol...they are STONGER and more ADVANCED and more NATURAL....it is nature overcoming genetic manipulations and it is happening more and more and more....get used to it....this is directed straight at you InvisibleLady.......no one can hide that this is happening via these kids....medicate them and try to ostracise them and try to minimise the importance of their devolution...good luck with that......because there was a WAVE of kids like this in the past...but...LMAO.....there are now newer waves of kids who have refined the devolutionary steps and they are not being tagged and pigeonholed...intuition and empathy are growing stronger and stronger in all of these kids...and one day the need for spoken and written words which is how we are controlled as a species will be negligible.......the fewer the words the clearer the message and shorter the transit times....eventually the human state will revert back to telepathy....on its own Mother Nature will always find a way to overcome interference.
You are locked into a lifetime game of emotional poker....lol....1/2 your life and time is spent bluffing.....You smile when you shouldnt smile...you frown when you shouldnt frown....you talk 10x more than you need to mostly when you do NOT need to verbalise...your social training has led to to be absolutely deceptive in your emanations of body language and emoting......you take comfort in volume of words gestures because within volume things can be hidden and you dont really want people to know who you are or what you are thinking.....I could go on makng observations about you and what you call normal from the subjects perspective...why bother...point made.....your hidden poker hands are showing to these subjects you try to pigenhole....lol...they read you clear as a bell and you cannot read them back....you have no echo ....lol...nothing empathetic or intuitive bounces off of you back to anyone else .... everything is just absorbed into a seeming black-hole because YOU are the one-way street that NEEDS verbal diarreah just to communicate simple things. ......you are ANALOG.....the kids you just hatchet-jobbed are digital.....lol....but as an analog type you simply cannot comprehend this and you just keep spewing out more and more useless data in a massive pile of printout paper on the proverbial floor.