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F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

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posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

The special master will give the government what is applicable to the warrant, and no more.


You literally invented this claim with no legal or factual basis to support it.

The Special master is tasked ONLY with excluding any evidence that is Attorney-Client privileged.

Criminal or Fraudulent activity (furthering or covering up crimes or frauds) nullifies Attorney-Client privilege.



Judge Kimba Wood outlined a general framework for how the process will be managed but left many decisions to be made by the special master.

She said the documents that were not considered privileged should be turned over to prosecutors as soon as that determination is made by Jones.

www.cnn.com...

The Special Master is not an investigator and not qualified to evaluate the relevance of evidence.
Only whether it qualifies for Attorney-Client Privilege.

She turns over EVERYTHING that is not Attorney-Client Privilege.

Furthermore, just as the Special Counsel made a criminal referral to the NY AG of evidence to help in their investigation, the NY AG will return the favor if any of the evidence they receive can help in the Special Counsel's investigation.
edit on 27-4-2018 by soberbacchus because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

It has not been said that trump in not under investigation. He is.
A subject of the investigation is ummm under investigation.

so then mueller is not investigating what he was directed to?
if he is not doing his job why is he around?
your question makes no sense in regards to my post.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

I'm so sure.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

thehill.com...


Judge Kimba Wood of the U.S. District Court of the Southern District of New York appointed Barbara Jones — who served a 16-year term on the Manhattan’s federal court and is now a partner at law firm Bracewell — to serve as the “special master" and decide which of Cohen's materials are protected by attorney-client privilege and what can be reviewed by federal prosecutors, the The New York Post reported.

2 tasks for the special master
decide which of cohens materials are protected by privilege AND
what can be reviewed by the fed prosecutors

they only get what was covered by the warrant
cohens pictures of his kids stored on his computer that are not relevant to the investigation will not be used nor will be seen by the feds
this is NOT a fishing expediton



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

I'm so sure.

still just your opinion....



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

thehill.com...


Judge Kimba Wood of the U.S. District Court of the Southern District of New York appointed Barbara Jones — who served a 16-year term on the Manhattan’s federal court and is now a partner at law firm Bracewell — to serve as the “special master" and decide which of Cohen's materials are protected by attorney-client privilege and what can be reviewed by federal prosecutors, the The New York Post reported.

2 tasks for the special master
decide which of cohens materials are protected by privilege AND
what can be reviewed by the fed prosecutors



Jesus...that is the SAME THING.



they only get what was covered by the warrant
cohens pictures of his kids stored on his computer that are not relevant to the investigation will not be used nor will be seen by the feds
this is NOT a fishing expediton


YES..YES, the picture of his kids WILL be handed over to the Feds, cus the Special Master is not an investigator and she might not recognize that is the head of the FSB smiling in the background of the Pic, or that it was taken on a street corner in Prague.

EVERYTHING NOT attorney client privilege gets handed over.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

You haven't even read what the actual attorneys in this case have said.....
talkingpointsmemo.com...



All parties ultimately agreed that privilege was the priority. If Jones or Cohen’s team happened in the course of their privilege review to come across a document that was, as Wood put it, completely “unresponsive,” they could set it aside, Wood said.

so yes the special master will be determining what the prosecution will see and what they wont see



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 04:52 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

You haven't even read what the actual attorneys in this case have said.....
talkingpointsmemo.com...



All parties ultimately agreed that privilege was the priority. If Jones or Cohen’s team happened in the course of their privilege review to come across a document that was, as Wood put it, completely “unresponsive,” they could set it aside, Wood said.

so yes the special master will be determining what the prosecution will see and what they wont see


Weird in that when you read the full context of that article it says the OPPOSITE of what you are claiming.



Both Jones and the Cohen team will be permitted to use keywords to sort through all of the seized documents to root out anything they consider privileged, the government agreed. But it was “very important,” assistant U.S. Attorney Tom McKay said repeatedly, that once that process was finished, a government “filter team” receive all of the materials deemed privileged “for the sole purpose of lodging any exception” to those designations.



If they don’t know what a particular privileged document says, McKay argued, they can’t decide whether or not it’s pertinent.

Wood said Cohen, like any criminal defendant, would likely feel uncomfortable having the government rifling through deeply personal documents like a child’s medical records.

After a brief volley, McKay insisted the government had no interest in doing so, but that the matter at hand was attorney-client privilege, not Cohen’s privacy. There was “no precedent,” he said, for a special master determining what personal materials that may have been seized could be relevant to their probe.

McKay suggested that “Cohen’s personal relationships” were in fact pertinent, and that he was concerned about “mission creep” and “slippage” if Jones or Cohen’s attorneys were to pull out specific documents that they deemed utterly unrelated to the investigation.

All parties ultimately agreed that privilege was the priority. If Jones or Cohen’s team happened in the course of their privilege review to come across a document that was, as Wood put it, completely “unresponsive,” they could set it aside, Wood said.




They agreed if something appears "completely unresponsive" (children's Medical records) they can set it aside, but beyond that the filter team gets everything not Attorney-Client privilege.

Other things worth considering:

Michael Cohen search warrant documents mentioned Trump by name
www.cbsnews.com...



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 05:20 PM
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Judge agrees to delay Stormy Daniels' lawsuit against Trump

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A judge has delayed a lawsuit by porn actress Stormy Daniels against President Donald Trump and his personal attorney.

In a decision Friday, U.S. District Judge S. James Otero agreed to delay the case and set a hearing for July 27.

Trump's attorney, Michael Cohen, asked to delay the case after FBI agents raided his home and office earlier this month. The FBI was seeking records about a nondisclosure agreement Daniels signed days before the 2016 presidential election.

Cohen argues that his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination may be jeopardized if the proceedings weren't delayed.

Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, says she had an affair with Trump in 2006 and sued to invalidate the confidentiality agreement that prevents her from discussing it. She's also suing Cohen, alleging defamation.

(Copyright 2018 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

The access Hollywood tape is going to be a long shot since it violated California state law. California is a 2 party consent state for recording. Neither Trump nor Bush knew they were being recorded at the time.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Neither Trump nor Bush knew they were being recorded at the time.


That is simply not true. Bush was interviewing Trump on the record for a radio program. Of course they both knew it was going on tape. Any such assertion to the contrary is simply absurd.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 08:57 PM
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they only get what was covered by the warrant 
cohens pictures of his kids stored on his computer that are not relevant to the investigation will not be used nor will be seen by the feds 
this is NOT a fishing expediton 



originally posted by: soberbacchus

YES..YES, the picture of his kids WILL be handed over to the Feds, cus the Special Master is not an investigator and she might not recognize that is the head of the FSB smiling in the background of the Pic, or that it was taken on a street corner in Prague.

EVERYTHING NOT attorney client privilege gets handed over.





They agreed if something appears "completely unresponsive" (children's Medical records) they can set it aside, but beyond that the filter team gets everything not Attorney-Client privilege. 



I like how when you were clearly corrected (with a citation), you've still managed to somehow twist it into a weird perspective where you are somehow educating him instead of the other way around. Way to correct the record.
edit on 27-4-2018 by RadioRobert because: Broke the code



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: rnaa

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Neither Trump nor Bush knew they were being recorded at the time.


That is simply not true. Bush was interviewing Trump on the record for a radio program. Of course they both knew it was going on tape. Any such assertion to the contrary is simply absurd.




Prove it.

Prove they both knew it.

It was touted as "leaked" which suggests undercover.

No one cares who is anyone.

Why isn't Judge Jeanine the AG?




posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: rnaa

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Neither Trump nor Bush knew they were being recorded at the time.


That is simply not true. Bush was interviewing Trump on the record for a radio program. Of course they both knew it was going on tape. Any such assertion to the contrary is simply absurd.


Pretty sure the story was they were both wearing mics because they had just done a segment for Access Hollywood on a bus. A TV show. The rest of the crew left and the hot mic caught their conversation while on the bus.

I'm willing to be educated, as I admit I didn't pay much attent to the faux outrage.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: rnaa

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Neither Trump nor Bush knew they were being recorded at the time.


That is simply not true. Bush was interviewing Trump on the record for a radio program. Of course they both knew it was going on tape. Any such assertion to the contrary is simply absurd.


No - at the time they were speaking privately off set. (From Wikipedia - all links at bottom of their page - source).

On October 7, 2016, during the 2016 United States presidential election, The Washington Post published a video and accompanying article about then-presidential candidate Donald Trump and television host Billy Bush having "an extremely lewd conversation about women" in 2005. Trump and Bush were in a bus on their way to film an episode of Access Hollywood (now Access), a show owned by NBCUniversal. In the video, Trump described his attempt to seduce a married woman and indicated he might start kissing a woman that he and Bush were about to meet. He added, "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything." As a result of this remark, some in the media dubbed the resulting scandal Pussygate.[1] Commentators and lawyers have described such an action as sexual assault.



NBC was nice enough to leak the video/audio and then used it to fire Bush and sabotage Trump.



edit on 27-4-2018 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 28 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

As if any of that changes anything he said.
Oh my god...



posted on Apr, 28 2018 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

This is why trumps lawyers are in such a panic. This could be very bad for him.
Because he could be implicated by what they find either in this case with Cohen or with evidence that will ultimately help Mueller.
The judge in the Stormy Daniels case has granted Cohen a ninety day stay because
"He is likely to be indicted in the federal case".
Rut roh.



posted on Apr, 28 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

First. If there's communications in there that implicates trump in a crime the N.Y. feds will certainly get it. There's no block of anything trump. That's why the judge didn't let trump sort through it. What is blocked is private unrelated to this case innocent communications where trump is getting legal advice from his lawyer. Since Cohen didn't do too much actual lawyering I don't imagine there will be too many exclusions.

Second if there is anything found that relates back to stuff Mueller is investigating that will be turned over to him.
Mueller referred this case based on evidence he had but obviously... he believed there was way more to be found within these records. He may even believe they will find something that will help him. Nothing wrong with that. He passed the criminal case to the N.Y. feds because that's where it belongs but that doesn't shield other evidence that may be found there from being used by Mueller. That's the way this works. Even if it doesn't sound fair to you.



posted on Apr, 28 2018 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

you are full of crap and so is your opinion

you have no basic understanding of the scope of the special council

the fishing expedition sought by muller was stopped by the special master

you lose again



posted on Apr, 28 2018 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Ok. Waa waa. And they call liberals snow flakes.

That's the view from where I'm sitting.
Your mileage may vary.



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