No need for a crashed UFO to reverse engineer - we had the smarts in the 1950s..!!

We didn't need to reverse-engineer our antigravity technologies from 'crashed UFOs'. The scientific understanding was there for the taking in the late 1940s & early 1950s, and was being discussed openly between scientists working in military technology contractor corporations such as Northrup-Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and so on. The 'crashed UFO, reverse engineered' paradigm has been claimed by myriad researchers investigating the possibility of a Secret Space Program, but their conclusions are basically a hodge podge of 'wilful disinformation from their military intelligence sources', 'lazy journalism' & 'appealing to the crowd'

The technology was being developed by a few lone scientist enthusiasts (after the research went dark in the mid-fifties) with regards to the matter of antigravity & faster-than-light 'superluminal' space travel, persons such as Thomas Townsend-Brown - & later, Dr Paul LaViolette, Both have been ostensibly 'left out in the cold' of the secretive world of black fund military research, despite both having had a significant impact on our understanding of the topics involved.

Indeed, Thomas Townsend-Brown had an interesting life, almost succeeding in joining the military world of black fund research (which had literally been largely developed off the back of his own scientific discoveries in the late 40s & early 50s - he had a pivotal role in the allegedly failed Philadelphia experiment in search of unified field potentiality for use in the war effort.during World War 2..) My own thoughts regarding how he was locked out of that world of research are that he was not penalised for any failing, or character issues - but he was considered the best possible hope of ensuring that the military secrecy surrounding the topics was sufficient to make it look like he was basically a bit of a loon, trying to find ways to fund his 'silly', 'ineffective' 'pipe-dream' research proposals, making him look desperate & ignorant, a man who was deluded more than he was a scientist. All was arrayed to ensure that anyone sniffing around the edges of the subject would run across deliberate debunkings & character assassinations, supposedly thereby 'proving' the field of electrogravitics as nothing but the delusions of a failed, lone, crank inventor - when in actuality he was instrumental in developing & driving the production of key technologies & processes, later adopted by other defence companies, worked on further by their secretive in-house design teams. This great tragedy - regarding designs which should have been his crowning glory as a doctor & philosopher of science - apparently was eventually resolved in his own soul later in life, when he was possibly 'read-in' on his role within the overall war aims & disinformation which had caused the apparently unfair punitive attacks against his research & his own good name. Even if he wasn't formally read-in, he probably had it figured out eventually, as he watched for news on the skies above. He may have come to a pragmatic resolution inwardly, which stopped him from teetering over the brink of the abyss of his professional sorrows. In all likelihood he knew his duty, and accepted the outcome, continuing his research on a small scale - perhaps with the aim of interesting other potential superstars in the world of electrogravitic propulsion, as the research was known to all involved.

Dr Paul LaViolette came from reasonable circumstances to develop a strong interest in the field of electrogravitics, as proposed by Townsend-Brown before him. LaViolette was instrumental in putting out a huge amounts of technical descriptive data, in an engaging, highly readable style - but again, he seems to have been left out in the cold. As a Systems Theorist he was engaged in all manner of private & secretive researches, al the while developing a linked personal interest in the field of electrogravitics & advanced propulsion methodologies, regarding which he also relayed a series of highly valuable resources from his own thought experiments (and real experiments too!), which succeeded in proving overunity in conversation of energy terms as applied in his advanced electrogravitic field propulsion studies. This strengthened his other extremely interesting & potentially highly important theorising, with that being the sought proofs of the likelihood of 'Galactic Superwaves', referencing a time during the rotation of a particular galaxy, ours included, when the star-generative seething mass of particles, and various energetic components of that galactic midwifery at the centre of the galaxy, such as gamma & x-rays, which all feature into the literal explosion of high-energy particles & energy fields from the centre of the galaxy, traveling outward as combined highly destructive/creative force which can have an impact on planets even at the outer edge of the galaxy. He has strongly refuted the standard academic blather about black holes being at the centre of each galaxy, demonstrating that in a number of easily identifiable cases, there is a 'star-birthing pool' at the centre, a creative & life-generative aspect of galactic life, and not a mysterious & ominous 'black hole abyss of doom'. The black hole abyss of doom model (BHAD model) is in fact, in my opinion, disinformation on a grand scale - which, along with the 'We Can't See Stars In Space' NASA shenanigans (the WEKASS model of NASA disinformation!) all goes hand in glove to generate a wide-scale subconscious & conscious perception in the hearts & minds of humans everywhere, one which states that space is a cold, dark, dead void, which is largely miserable & not worth bothering with really (particularly in light of the high costs of hairspray for use by the female astronauts on the International Space Station..) The BHAD & WEKASS models combine to ensure that Humanity is kept with their eyes fixed firmly on the ground, willingly submitting to the appealed authority suggesting 'space is evil', and therefore placing absolutely no real, sustained pressure on the international space agency community in an effort to drive our human aspirations outward, perhaps we'd otherwise already be mining the precious materials found scattered in the remnant constituents of a ruined planet - one which had occupied the orbit of the asteroid belt at some ancient time, and which had become our asteroid belt at some remarkably distant prehistoric time. Incidentally, I'm convinced that Mars was in fact once a Moon of the alleged 'Super Earth', formerly existing in the asteroid belt's orbital locale. That Super Earth was likely the origin of our original tales of creation, our mythology of a garden, an ocean city, powerful 'magical' technologies, and so on; as well as ancestral memories of traumatic destruction (which still resonate in our collective unconscious, as dreams of deeply ancient fragments of the universal memory of those events.

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I have elsewhere speculated on the possibility that Earth was hit by a Galactic Superwave at the time of the Pleistocene extinction, as referenced by the chemical compounds & fossilised life which has been discovered at the KT boundary layers in the sedimentation of our planet's long evolution. It is further speculated by Dr LaViolette, in amazing detail & with much confirmatory data quoted in-line, that our own human evolution has been affected by these 'superwaves', and even that a progenitor race which was present on Earth prior to 'the event', perhaps the Watchers of ancient lore, had left here to avoid the impact of a forecasted superwave. However, before it hit, they created zodiac & tarot lore which ultimately would be the key to highlighting the galactic-level capability of whomever had sent us this message. We know their technologies were fearsome, magical even - by the fact that certain star systems (particularly pulsars) appear to be arrayed in the night sky in multi-dimensional patterns, with encoded data made known by the tempo & behaviour of each star, with so much by way of convincing circumstantial evidence that the theory has legs even before you get to the data surrounding the pulsar 'grid', which served multiple purposes - one of which, remarkably, was the means by which to adjust for alterations in the flow of Time when engaged in superluminal travel between star systems, as well as to maintain correct course headings by triangulation based on pulsar locations relative to the traveling starship. The method of action of this interstellar grid applied in many ways for transport purposes is so wonderfully straightforward that it's almost undeniable, once you've read deeply enough into his written materials.

As a starting point, please consider reading his books, which are very engaging & satisfying reads. You can check out his published materials by starting at Etheric.com - the website of Dr Paul LaViolette. In his books you will find numerous references to the life & work of T Townsend Brown. One note of caution - read his books in the order in which they were published. 'Earth Under Fire' came first in terms of his writing for popular audiences, according to memory, followed by 'Genesis of the Cosmos', then 'Decoding the Message of the Pulsars', then 'Secrets of Antigravity Research'. His website has an excellent array of research papers, articles, forums, interviews and so on, all of which I wholeheartedly recommend. Notice that despite the credibility of his science, he is in some ways a bit eccentric, and this fits well with the possibility I have suggested below, that his work provides a doorway into the world of secret research, (although there is no prerequisite condition for he himself to be aware that such is the case), disguised as the site of a crackpot. Tracking movement across the internet is easy for the NSA, and so anyone with the right education & interests can be picked up based on their web activity.

So onward to the purpose of the thread: Once you read up on the scientific & experimental evidence for the development of technologies which demonstrate over-unity for transport purposes by aerofoil, with the electrogravitics research in the open literature in the late 40's to early 50's, you will see that our scientists of the time were more than capable of theorising & inventing based on principles of electrical engineering that are not hard to understand, once the initial intuitive leap is made, and so the alleged reliance on supposed 'alien technology' from 'crashed UFOs', which were 'reverse engineered' to develop modern technological progression in numerous fields of study, is absolutely unnecessary - we were more than capable of developing these technologies by ourselves, and the work of both T Townsend-Brown, and Dr Paul LaViolette amply demonstrate that the principles were/are well within our grasp. Apparently, there was an unspoken criticism of established electromagnetic theory (what Ben Rich called 'an error in the equations' (a reference to the false suppositions following on from the work of Maxwell & his electromagnetic theory - which was held to be responsible for preventing people from realising the potential of the field of electrogravitics - and indeed, from a counter-intelligence point of view, it was A GOOD THING that the public were unaware of the potential for seemingly 'magical' technological developments in aerofoils & other aspects of electrical engineering technology. If the public were made to believe that T Townsend Brown was a crank, a lone nut pseudoscientist, then they could keep their incredible technological marvels a secret from the public, and largely, from enemy foreign governments too. Later, Dr Paul LaViolette was also held up as an example of a crank, lone nut pseudoscientist too - but I believe that his work is the bait on the hook of the secret space & military industrial black research world.. He is left to his work without being accosted, but anyone who has talent in physics, and an interest in advanced research, on arriving at his website will be pinged as a potential recruit, and may be drafted into that secretive world behind the curtain. In the case of both scientists, it seems that they were left out of the loop, out in the cold, according to different styles of disinformation purposes - but equally, it seems they could well have been 'read in' on the reasons for that being the case, and may well have been perfectly satisfied with their lot, perhaps even having full access privileges to certain research or aeronautical corporations.

And so, in my view, the whole 'reverse engineered crashed UFO technology' memetic is absolute bullsnip, and we should be inherently suspicious of anyone pushing that narrative, or claiming to have been given insider information which supports that narrative. Bear in mind that in this era of Fake News, we are rapidly awakening to the need for 'information hygiene' as I have termed it, in the sense that the chain of transmitted or transferred knowledge, or the sources of research (which is ideally independent), must be checkable by links in the chains of reference, suggestive beyond reasonable doubt of genuine, verifiable, specialist training or qualifications held by the people involved &/or validated, quality research conducted by independent, unbiased operants, so that we can trust in the veracity of the information which is being presented. This is the great challenge of our technological age, and in a situation such as this, where we are discussing potentially classified research & development, we should be aware of who is telling us, and what they are telling us, and why they are telling it that way.. Sounds simple enough, but a whole can of worms can be opened up if we fail to perform the proper information hygiene checks (as I have learned on many occasions here on ATS..)

Please consider & discuss!


Cheers, FITO.

lol at BHAD and WEKASS models, those are funny.

The black hole conspiracy is pretty interesting, highly doubtful considering the self correcting nature of the scientific method, but interesting nonetheless.

If we indeed created over unity or or electro-gravitic propulsion, I'm not sure why we wouldn't be seeing the technology now, unless of course project blue beam is coming soon.

a reply to: Harpua

considering the self correcting nature of the scientific method

Ah, but the good ship Science turns very, very slowly... Usually it takes a full generation to alter the predominant theories du jour, where it is necessary for most of the proponents of the existing model to pop their clogs & shuffle off this mortal coil before significant changes can occur. There are innumerable examples of the manner in which this has occurred in our scientific history, and so I maintain that the 'BHAD - Black Hole Abyss of Doom' model will one day be dropped in favour of the 'star-birthing pool at the centre of the galaxy' (STAR-COG) model which is proposed by Dr LaViolette.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
We didn't need to reverse-engineer our antigravity technologies from 'crashed UFOs'. The scientific understanding was there for the taking in the late 1940s & early 1950s, and was being discussed openly between scientists working in military technology contractor corporations such as Northrup-Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and so on. The 'crashed UFO, reverse engineered' paradigm has been claimed by myriad researchers investigating the possibility of a Secret Space Program, but their conclusions are basically a hodge podge of 'wilful disinformation from their military intelligence sources', 'lazy journalism' & 'appealing to the crowd'
snip

It also helps that no matter who claims what there is no public evidence of saucers crashing anywhere on earth. Reports of such crashes are quickly assigned to File 13 which by now must be overflowing. Does anyone really believe that if we had superior knowledge gained from reverse-engineering we would have been more advance in some kind of cosmic knowledge instead of continuing to plod along with our outmoded aerialism?

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Dr. Laviolette? This guy sounds really interesting:

He is the first to discover that certain ancient creation myths and esoteric lores metaphorically encode an advanced science of cosmogenesis. His contributions to the field of Egyptology and mythology may be compared to the breaking of the Rosetta Stone hieroglyphic code. For a partial listing of these discoveries click here: www.etheric.com...

In addition, Paul LaViolette has developed a new theory of gravity that replaces the deeply flawed theory of general relativity. Predicted from his theory of subquantum kinetics, it accounts for the electrogravitic coupling phenomenon discovered by Townsend Brown and may explain the advanced aerospace propulsion technology utilized in the B-2 bomber.

etheric.com...

a reply to: Lathroper

Maybe they are still trying to figure out how to use 'aliens' as the next bad guys. War on everything is slowing failing. Terrorism is slowly starting to fail. They need something new.

They take this ancient technology that we knew intimately of in the past and start slowly bringing it out in brief periods to gauge the reaction from the sheeple. We have finally recovered enough knowledge that we are beginning to discover what we had lost and how to make ancient technology work again.

They will then claim 'aliens', rally everyone on planet earth and usher in the new global one world power to combat these 'aliens'.

no, just no, you mentioned a bunch of bad guys as credible sources
nope

Let’s see Moore’s law worked 1903 Kitty Hawk
66 years later we land on the Moon
then another 50 years and we are using the
exact same propulsion?
Someone knows about antigravity and they
didn’t bring enough for the whole class to share.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Yep. I always thought this theory was bunk. It would take just as much intelligence and ingenuity to reverse-engineer high tech stuff as it would to simply figure it out yourself.

a reply to: humanoidlord

You always seem to pop up in threads dealing with credible alternative researchers with a single sentence which states they are 'bad guys' or 'terrible researchers', and yet you don't even bother to expound intelligently on why you think that to be the case. It's like a 10 year-old walking up to a professor & saying "You're really stupid" then walking off to ask Mom for a dollar to buy an ice cream so you can forget the whole sorry incident. Do you ever have anything of value, intelligence, or interest, to say? No, you don't. So stop trolling threads which require that a person don their critical thinking caps, and go buy yourself an ice cream.

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

Amen, preach it brother! They know, and they're not telling.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

ok then, lets go:
joseph farrel: believes in chemtrails, believes that 9/11 wasnt caused by an plane, believe in the higly debunked theories of nazi saucers, pseudoscience
paul laviolette: pseudoscientific theories of all kinds, doom porn,believes that the towsend-brown effect is an type of anti-gravity and not just ionic air, somehown got the idea that the b2 uses antigravitational propulsion despite the obvious sillines of the theory
you: is an closet flat earther

posting so that I can find thread easier in future if i wish to contribute.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
Let’s see Moore’s law worked 1903 Kitty Hawk
66 years later we land on the Moon
then another 50 years and we are using the
exact same propulsion?
Someone knows about antigravity and they
didn’t bring enough for the whole class to share.

Grebbenikov
David Hamel
Searl.
Wilbert Smith.
Tesla.
Way to many more to list here have contributed to putting the truths in mainstream data....its there but NEVER PROMOTED OR REPRODUCED OR TAUGHT..books are published and all copies are purchased then 86ed.

Ah yes, Thomas Townsend Brown.

I believe during 2007-8, The History Channel website had a forum. In the "UFO" specific forum, a user there claimed to be his daughter.

Brown was always a topic and his stories always visited.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

ok then, lets go:
joseph farrel: believes in chemtrails, believes that 9/11 wasnt caused by an plane, believe in the higly debunked theories of nazi saucers, pseudoscience
paul laviolette: pseudoscientific theories of all kinds, doom porn,believes that the towsend-brown effect is an type of anti-gravity and not just ionic air, somehown got the idea that the b2 uses antigravitational propulsion despite the obvious sillines of the theory
you: is an closet flat earther

Wow, way to go with the ad hominems buddy.

So let me think. You disregard everything someone has to say on the basis that they believe something somewhat controversial, based on your subjective, almighty knowledge of what is true & what isn't? You really value your opinion so much that your two or three sentence postings (which you only bother to post after someone points out how lame your trolling actually is) are so much more verifiable, truthful & correct? Your opinion - someone who can barely handle the English language & doesn't bother to explain any of his opinions - you are supposedly a fountain of knowledge & an authority on what is true or false?

How many books have you written? How many articles? Have your closet opinions been peer reviewed by competent academics? How many products have you invented? How many times have you had a sit down with heads of state?

NEVER.

Because you do nothing but troll. Claiming that someone who is a polymath with extensive knowledge & capability with mathematics, physics & system theory is not to be trusted because his theory is 'silliness'..? Do you not realise that pre-judging the hypothesis as 'silliness' before even checking it out simply makes YOU look silly?

Wow. Complete waste of time, not sure why I'm even bothering to respond. You clearly think that thought experiments, devils advocate type speculations to promote debate are indicative of holding medieval beliefs? Buddy, I really hope to goodness that we aren't living in a simulated reality - BUT GO CHECK WITH A FEW PHYSICISTS and see how silly they think the postulate actually is.

a reply to: humanoidlord

And incidentally, all you did in your second post was to claim that everyone is useless, their theories are crap, etc - but did you add anything of value? Did you respond to my challenge to argue your point intelligently, with relevant or interesting points? NO. You just continued with further ad hominems & murder by association.

So what do you think about how the interest in electrogravitics which was being researched & spoken about by high calibre physicists & mechanical engineers in the top aerospace & defence contractor corporations in the USA suddenly went dark in the mid fifties, wrapped up tight in the 'national security' banner? Don't you find that a little bit suggestive? Now remember, rather than attack the reputations of the US government or the defence contractors, you should actually respond with ORIGINAL THOUGHT which is interesting, relevant, or worthwhile in some manner.

From a cursory read, I believe it is likely that Brown’s work, and character, were dismantled and besmirched. He was hitting too close to a nerve. He may have played along. Remember too that Tesla supposedly removed his...nah. I will let Ferris Bueller do the talking. Ferris knows everything. Everything except how he lost control of the beamer.

“These boys skipped out on basic physics classes,” and so on, one scientist remarked.

‘Ionic wind’ and electrorheology are simply the same beast albeit
using differing medium densities, and frequencies.

For what it is worth, a lid has been placed on the latter. This is where the heavy lifting, and blinding g forces apply. But you can still see the images deleted from the net, if you focus. Or if you are in a hot box. The smart grid culls it’s transceived and quite intimate data using exactly these factors of (modulated) frequency and voltage, and the vacuum doesn’t have to be perfect. It almost never is; quantum computing does the rest. All it requires is for everyone to be dumb about it. Don’t ask questions. Just believe what we tell you. Only a jackass would doubt planes hit the...you know what I mean. Not sure if ad hom boy does. I give that even odds.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

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Paul LaViolette "PhD" passes himself off as a scientist, but he's not.

Claims a BA in Physics, not a BS.
Grad degree is an MBA, not any science.
His PHd is not in science either, since Portland State University (where he claimed to have received it) does not offer a PhD in ANY science.

Harte