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Why does the left support World Government?

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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:07 PM
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The best world government would be decentralized into something like the USA Constitution was *supposed* to be, where each country is an autonomous state dealing with its own internal affairs and the WG only steps in to deal with problems between countries. We would need much more robust countermeasures to keep the WG from interfering with internal activities, we've seen how the US Federal Government has bled over into State business.




posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Isnt that what is now. Sure were free to create a business. But you still need loans unless daddy is rich.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

Duh,the liberals are the ones for NWO,where have you been,haven't you seen anything in a news story,or too busy playing video games in mom's basement,Trump is breaking up liberal policy's why the Democrats are in a hissy fit



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:44 PM
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I wouldn't mind a one world government, as long as it is chartered with our Constitution, and bill of rights for all people on the planet.
Howz that grab you


Oh.... No chips either



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:46 PM
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As long as republicans can steal from the needy and rich can use right and left to deceive the populace.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Why does the right keep making up weird unsubstantiated claims about what the left supposedly wants?

Life is full of mystery I guess.


All right. Tell us what you want, and why you always seem to vote for more and more centralization in order to achieve what you say you want?

The end result is ever more power consolidation in the hands of a few and the loss of freedom which all leads to globalization as we've been discussing.

For someone who says you don't want these things, the end results will lead there anyhow unless you explain what your game plan actually is.


Case study of weird unsubstantiated claims number 2.

First of all you might want to consider that the 'left' isn't one big homogeneous blob of wants or massive conspiracy with a game plan.

You might also consider that across most the world it's the right that are associated with centralisation and globalisation.

You could really stretch and realise its the right who favour concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few.

Or you could use keep going with the left evil control freak narrative that seems the norm on these circles jerk threads.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

Because George Soros, who is banned in certain countries, is owner of Open Society Foundations - he hates America and in particular the Constitution and anyone who does not want to change it. He is also the biggest DNC financier and lobbyist.

This is why they want a world government fully babysitting them from sun-up to sun-down, then from dusk till dawn too.

They don't like a free society where differing opinions and intelligence exist - it triggers them.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: amfirst1

Because George Soros, who is banned in certain countries, is owner of Open Society Foundations - he hates America and in particular the Constitution and anyone who does not want to change it. He is also the biggest DNC financier and lobbyist.

This is why they want a world government fully babysitting them from sun-up to sun-down, then from dusk till dawn too.

They don't like a free society where differing opinions and intelligence exist - it triggers them.

Well republicans want inverse totalitariasm it seems. Giving tax breaks to cronie corparates while making people poor. I see a flase left right paradigm..thanks alex jones. The one thing i agree with.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: amfirst1

Because George Soros, who is banned in certain countries, is owner of Open Society Foundations - he hates America and in particular the Constitution and anyone who does not want to change it. He is also the biggest DNC financier and lobbyist.

This is why they want a world government fully babysitting them from sun-up to sun-down, then from dusk till dawn too.

They don't like a free society where differing opinions and intelligence exist - it triggers them.


Yes because there are no billionaires supporting the republican party and right wing causes?



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Why does the right keep making up weird unsubstantiated claims about what the left supposedly wants?

Life is full of mystery I guess.


All right. Tell us what you want, and why you always seem to vote for more and more centralization in order to achieve what you say you want?

The end result is ever more power consolidation in the hands of a few and the loss of freedom which all leads to globalization as we've been discussing.

For someone who says you don't want these things, the end results will lead there anyhow unless you explain what your game plan actually is.


Case study of weird unsubstantiated claims number 2.

First of all you might want to consider that the 'left' isn't one big homogeneous blob of wants or massive conspiracy with a game plan.

You might also consider that across most the world it's the right that are associated with centralisation and globalisation.

You could really stretch and realise its the right who favour concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few.

Or you could use keep going with the left evil control freak narrative that seems the norm on these circles jerk threads.



So we can't pigeonhole 'the left' but it's okey-fine to stereotype 'the right'?

Anyways

'The right' means different things depending on which part of the world it is in. In Europe 'the right' is connected to authoritarianism and tyranny, no question. In the USA 'the right' is actually more associated with decentralization and classical liberalism.

Maybe we need to get rid of the failed left/right wing descriptors and switch to progressive/socialist/statist vs. liberty/freedom/small-government before the conversation can continue?



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 06:01 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Why does the right keep making up weird unsubstantiated claims about what the left supposedly wants?

Life is full of mystery I guess.


All right. Tell us what you want, and why you always seem to vote for more and more centralization in order to achieve what you say you want?

The end result is ever more power consolidation in the hands of a few and the loss of freedom which all leads to globalization as we've been discussing.

For someone who says you don't want these things, the end results will lead there anyhow unless you explain what your game plan actually is.


Case study of weird unsubstantiated claims number 2.

First of all you might want to consider that the 'left' isn't one big homogeneous blob of wants or massive conspiracy with a game plan.

You might also consider that across most the world it's the right that are associated with centralisation and globalisation.

You could really stretch and realise its the right who favour concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the few.

Or you could use keep going with the left evil control freak narrative that seems the norm on these circles jerk threads.



So we can't pigeonhole 'the left' but it's okey-fine to stereotype 'the right'?

Anyways

'The right' means different things depending on which part of the world it is in. In Europe 'the right' is connected to authoritarianism and tyranny, no question. In the USA 'the right' is actually more associated with decentralization and classical liberalism.

Maybe we need to get rid of the failed left/right wing descriptors and switch to progressive/socialist/statist vs. liberty/freedom/small-government before the conversation can continue?


No its not OK to pigeonhole, except possibly when making a point about how stupid threads like this one really are.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: anotherside

But you have to give tax breaks to corporations. Otherwise, they would all move to China. The Chinese is trying to reduce corporate tax rates to 0 percent in order to monopolize all the businesses. It's called common sense and supply and demand, u know economics 101.

Would u rather have a job or be a beggar? Climbing the capitalist latter is easy if u understand how it properly works. It's not everybody's fault if you have a Liberal Arts degree. Go get a Computer Science degree and make over 100k. It's simple as that.
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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 06:10 PM
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Identity politics and collectivism.
Only the smart liberals understand how utterly oppressive and demoralizing a one world government would be. The rest just follow the narrative because of their hive mind mentality.

Anyone who fully trusts their government is a fool. The state is the biggest taker of lives on the planet and these lunatics wanna centralize all the power on the planet. Meanwhile the liberals at the bottom promote this because promises of free things.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

You sure it's just the "left" that wants a world government?

The "right" has also had no problem using the UN, NATO, and other global organizations like the World Bank, IMF, and WTO to unify the world towards their goals (and no problem stationing our troops in bases all over the world to make sure those other governments go along with it).

Ask the people in any country we've invaded, "regime changed", or had the CIA launch a coup in if either "side" in the US cares about the sovereignty of other nation states once they get power.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

So do right leaning politicians.

It's just that they pretend they don't to their voters



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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First, global government isn't inherently negative. It depends on the system and checks and balances. Also, realize that current nation states and boundaries are social, temporally limited constructions. There's nothing inherent to them either. Many fail. Some are effective and just, many are not. Across history very few continue without change or even dissolution.

Your post reflects a few biases and assumptions that merit analysis.

The reason the left thinks it's good is the idea that without having such, we can't effectively stop war nor hold accountable rogue leaders/states. Just look at the fact that Bush Jr was never prosecuted for torture.

In a similar cooperative vein, it's nearly impossible to address collective needs from environmental destruction to inter-state water rights without stronger international governance. Many UN development goals for example are purely voluntary and there are no consequences for failing to meet promises.

However, conservatives have the point that we need to be careful because of the danger of tyranny or dishonest motives for global government.

An example of where I have begun to question and see conservative points is the constant push for open borders, immigrant and refugee influxes, and not enforcing laws. The current European situation concerning a huge unsustainable influx of migrants and refugees, and the fact mainstream media and govs won't talk about it, have made me question if there's an ulterior motive to it.
a reply to: amfirst1


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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1

Bigger is better. If you think gov't is good, then big gov't is better and one world gov't is the best.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: amfirst1

Bigger is better. If you think gov't is good, then big gov't is better and one world gov't is the best.
Why do republicans and most conservatives support big military and strong police? I hope people realize that's "big government" too. Only the libertarians are consistent on this topic.
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posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: anotherside

But you have to give tax breaks to corporations. Otherwise, they would all move to China. The Chinese is trying to reduce corporate tax rates to 0 percent in order to monopolize all the businesses. It's called common sense and supply and demand, u know economics 101.

Would u rather have a job or be a beggar? Climbing the capitalist latter is easy if u understand how it properly works. It's not everybody's fault if you have a Liberal Arts degree. Go get a Computer Science degree and make over 100k. It's simple as that.


Ok i dont disagree with a low tax for businesses. But we should tax the rich. Make bush personally pay back social security and make them untouchable.
Republicans and democrats not all but many are corrupt and malintentioned. We need a system to protect americans from their own power structures.
All this 45/snowflake crap is completely 1st grade mentallity.



posted on Mar, 17 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Agreed. I think the Republicans support OWG as much as the Neo-Libs. They both suck in my book. Personally I believe gov't only works when it is accountable. Local gov't is much more effective than federal, IMO.



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