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posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 08:55 PM
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You can post a billion articles proving everything from the theory of relativity to how to make a pizza, but that won't convince me to make the leap to a zionist agenda when the two have nothing in common except for your feeble attempts to fool those not paying attention into making the leap.


Fair enough. Thats fine by me. But please explain why my attempts have been feeble. You wanted sources, I gave them to you. You asked the questions, I've answered them. Let me ask you a question. Have you actually taken the time to read the information posted from these weblinks? Because if you managed to do so, then you cannot deny that the American Government is serving an Zionist agenda.

Oh, and by the way, that last photo was very humorous. Please post more!




posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 09:13 PM
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Although i too am growing tired of this paranoid nonsence, and before we ask this one trick pony to go and play with the skinheads, I have one question to ask, Just what is the Zionist agenda, and why do you hate it?

[edit on 16-2-2005 by Netchicken]



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 10:21 PM
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R.I.P - PAC, much love



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 02:14 PM
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I offer you an intelligible discussion, and you try to put a whole new spin, by refusing to stay on the subject matter. When I play the game round onto you, it seems that nobody is willing to answer back. Because the truth is, this website is in all likelihood run by sympathetic Zionist supporters to confuse the masses even further.

This thread was not started to discuss the political agenda of Zionism. This thread is about Tupac Shakur, and how he was harassed by the terrorist group, known as the Jewish Defence League.

Let it be known that Tupac Shakur was assasinated by COINTELPRO, a counter intelligent program set up by the US Government.

Sources:

www.icdc.com...



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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I thought Tupac sucked anyways.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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^^^^ This just goes to prove the general retardedness of your board members.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 03:56 PM
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Tupac asasinated...lol...It was his own people that killed him. Ask Suge who killed Pac. Follow the money. It leaves a clear trail to his murderer. Not the Jews. Pac was insignificant of a global scale. He might have been a huge entertainer in the black community, but thats it. His influence stopped there. He was worth more dead than alive.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 03:59 PM
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About COINTELPRO:

The United States Department of Justice in 1908 under the direction of Attorney General Charles J. Bonaparte created an unnamed group of investigators that in 1935 grew into the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the official organ of state domestic terror for the United States government.[1] Initially the investigators power to act was greatly limited but steadily through successive laws, the organization was brought to its current strength.[2] Officially the Bureau is focused into eleven directorates which deal with various operational concerns and are headed by an "assistant director".[3] The Bureau is made up of roughly twenty-seven thousand eight hundred employees of which nine thousand eight hundred are stationed at the central headquarters in Washington D.C. and eighteen thousand are stationed at one of the "field installations" throughout the country.[4] The while being officially headquartered in Washington D.C., the Bureau's resources are distributed throughout the country in fifty-six "field offices", roughly four hundred "residence agencies", and four "field installations".[5] As a rule, each field office is headed by and "Special Agent in Charge" with the exception of the New York, Los Angeles and Washington D.C. offices which are, because of their size, headed by an "Assistant Directors in Charge".[6] Of the larger "resident agencies", a "Supervisory Senior Resident Agent" is responsible for the running on the agency.[7]

From the Bureau's very inception, corruption and terroristic tactics have been an integral part of the Bureau's mode of operation.[8] The grossly underhanded tactics of the Bureau led one biographer to state that the "FBI trampled on Americans' rights just as surely as the Bureau's nemesis in the then Soviet Union, the KGB."[9] The Bureau's authority to engage in intelligence gathering activities began during World War I and was expanded further during World War II.[10] Because early in the Bureau's history it became involved in intelligence operations, by the 1960's when the Bureau's counterintelligence (COINTELPRO) program began its most noteworthy actions, the Bureau had already established quite a proficiency for invasive-terroristic measures which it aimed at antiestablishment organizations and their members.[11] The COINTELPRO was tasked with the mission of developing ways to "misdirect, discredit, disrupt and otherwise neutralize" members and organizations opposed to the establishment.[12] Brian Glick author of COINTELPRO Revisited - Spying & Disruption grouped the COINTELPRO and its methods into the following groups:

1. Infiltration: Agents and informers did not merely spy on activists. Their main function was to discredit and disrupt. Various means to this end are analyzed below.

2. Other forms of deception: The FBI and police also waged psychological warfare from the outside--through bogus publications, forged correspondence, anonymous letters and telephone calls, and similar forms of deceit.

3. Harassment, intimidation and violence: Eviction, job loss, break-ins, vandalism, grand jury subpoenas, false arrest, frame-ups, and physical violence were threatened, instigated or directly employed, in an effort to frighten activists and disrupt their movements. Government agents either concealed their involvement or fabricated a legal pretext. In the case of the Black Panthers and Native American movements, these assaults--including outright political assignations--were so extensive and vicious that they amounted to terrorism on the part of the government.[13]



Because of the Bureau's size, many years of operation, and sheer scope of operation, it is impossible to describe its actions without the use of several thousand, if not tens of thousands of pages of writing. It is for this reason that in describing the Bureau's various methods of terrorism I will focus on the way the Bureau has dealt with one antiestablishment organization, namely the American Indian Movement (AIM).

The American Indian Movement, like many other antiestablishment organizations found its self a target of the Bureau's COINTELPRO machine. During the Bureau's campaign to overthrow the AIM, the Bureau employed the full range of COINTELPRO devices, which it felt could best be used to destroy the American Indian Movement. In the Bureau's war against the AIM, a number of tactics were used, but most prominent among these tactics of terror were threat, false arrest, beating, murder, and kidnapping.

Immediately following the Trail of Broken Treaties caravan disbanded in 1972, the Bureau began a concerted effort, through various avenues, to harass AIM leadership with the goal of eventually wearing them down.[14] According to an internal Bureau document recovered under the Freedom of Information Act, the Bureau was to encourage that "local police put [AIM] leaders under close scrutiny, and arrest them on every possible charge until they could no longer make bail. " During this time, Leonard Peltier who had acted as security coordinator for the Trail of Broken Treaties caravan, was beaten(22 November, 1972) while eating dinner at a restaurant by two Milwaukee police officers who then arrested him for attempting to murder one of his attackers.[15] Unfortunately for the prosecution, one of the police officers bragged to his girlfriend who then testified for the defense in court that he had just been "helping the FBI get a big one."[16] About this same time, Russell Means who as leader of the remaining members of the caravan was arrested for unknowingly violating the Pine Ridge Reservations ban on any AIM member speaking at or attending any public meeting on the reservation.[17] Roughly two months later, Russell Means, as well as several other AIM members were arrested as a result of trumped up charges while attending an Chicano-Indian Unity Conference in Scottsbluff, Nebraska put on by the Crusade for Justice.[18] In the Scottsbluff case, the officers were much more inventive than the officers who had arrested and beat Peltier two months earlier in Milwaukee in an attempt to have reason to assassinate Means, during the night while means was in his cell, a pistol was laid in the cell and the door opened so that he could leave and then be shot.[19] When Means refused to leave the cell or to touch the pistol, the official report claimed that the search of Means' person had been poorly conducted and as a result Means was able to carry a loaded pistol into his cell.[20]

Many of the Bureau's most despicable acts were conducted behind a thinly veiled screen by an puppet organization, which served as a veritable FBI death squad. This organization was called the Guardians Of the Oglala Nation (GOONs). The GOONs were organized by a grant given by the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) to form an "tribal ranger group".[21] The FBI rather than the BIA came to control the GOONs who were armed with M-16 automatic rifles and unlimited amounts of ammo by the FBI during the siege at Wounded Knee, South Dakota which was located on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.[22] During the siege, U.S. Marshals refused to associate with the "murderous drunken bums."[23] During the siege at Wounded Knee, Special Agent in Charge Joseph Trimbach took personal charge of the GOONs and reservation police.[24] This official direct control was to last throughout the siege. After the siege ended, Bureau control of the GOONs was exerted through the person of Dick Wilson, the anti-AIM leader of the Pine Ridge Reservation.[25]

During the thirty-six months between 1973 and 1976, more than sixty murders and three hundred and fifty assaults of AIM members and supporters took place on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.[26] During this same period of time, the FBI who held "preeminent jurisdiction" failed to solve a single case.[27] Many of the cases were never investigated.[28] Even though witnesses gave clear descriptions of members of the GOONs whom, in the majority of cases, were involved in the murders and assaults.[29] During the time that these murders were not being investigated by the FBI, five hundred and sixty two AIM members and supporters were arrested for small crimes with a total of fifteen actually being found guilty.[30]

Further Evidence of GOON-FBI collusion, is seen in the murder of Pedro Bissonette a prominent young leader of the Independent Oglala Nation which was closely associated with AIM. After being assaulted by a GOON because of his support for AIM, Bissonette was chased across the reservation by FBI spotter planes in the air and GOONs on the ground. Once stopped at a roadblock, Bissonnette was beaten and then shot seven times with a .38 caliber pistol in the chest at what appeared to be point blank range. Incidents similar to this one occurred numerous times to members of the AIM and its supporters on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation with little or no investigation taking place.

Not only were threats, false arrests and assassinations used to eliminate AIM opposition, but kidnapping also played an important role as well. One famous example of kidnapping used to eliminate and strike fear into the leadership, members, and supporters of AIM was that of Myrtle Poor Bear who was moved from hotel to hotel by FBI agents David Price and William Hood for roughly a month.[31] During the time she was being held, she was never charged with a crime.[32] She was however assured that they could kill people and not go to jail because they were FBI agents.[33] In order to finally get her to testify falsely that she had seen Leonard Peltier shoot two FBI agents, they showed her the autopsy pictures of Anne Mae Aquash, an AIM member who was murdered under questionable circumstances, and told her that she would look just like Anne Mae if she did not testify.[34] After testifying, she was finally released.

Of the once vibrant strong active American Indian Movement, there is yet a shadow that still exists. The COINTELPRO in many ways was a success. AIM leadership is fractured and plagued by infighting as a result of the Bureau fed rumors of informants in the midst. Perhaps the greatest tragedy is the fact that AIM is not able to command the large crowds dedicated to the cause of equal rights because of the fear of FBI harassment and death.

The FBI has certainly not ended its reign of terror against groups and people who find themselves at odds with the ruling sector of American society. Its abuses continue to this very day. In the past ten years evidence has been released that shows undeniable proof that the Bureau has tampered with witnesses, killed innocent victims, planted evidence, and harassed members of society who have become blacklisted by the FBI.

Because of the many years of abuses by the FBI, the only way to fight FBI terrorism is to bring all evidence of abuse truthfully to the eye of the public. After the evidence has been carefully reviewed, appropriate legal action should be taken by the Congress to limit the power of the FBI. In addition, an independent branch of the Justice Department should be solely tasked with reviewing all cases of reported FBI misconduct. The only way to remove the presence of state terrorism from functioning in the United States is for the agents to realize that if they do in fact commit a crime, they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent on the law.

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www.ndnrights.org...



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 04:04 PM
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About the Jewish Defense League:


F.B.I REPORT:ZIONIST GROUP SECOND MOST ACTIVE TERROR GROUP IN USA

Four out of five people we asked have no idea who the JDL are, much less know that they are one of the TOP TEN FBI ACTIVE TERRORIST GANGS IN THE USA.

Terrorism by Arabs? No, by Jews!

This is an excerpt of the book: "The Zionist Terror Network"

ALL YOU "THOUGHT CRIMINALS" PREPARE TO BE AFRAID

THE ZIONIST TERROR NETWORK: Background and Operations of the Jewish Defense League and other Criminal Zionist Groups

JDL in America: Urban Terrorists with International Connections

This book documents the background and criminal activities of Jewish Zionist terrorist groups, and especially the Jewish Defense League. Particular emphasis is given here to terror--including murder--against "thought criminals" who question the Holocaust story that six million Jews were systematically killed during the Second World War.

Zionist terrorists openly proclaim an arrogant Jewish-supremacist ideology and acknowledge their readiness to use violence against those who disagree with them. With a well-documented record of bigotry and crime, they pose a serious danger to our society, and to men and women everywhere who treasure freedom.

Incidents of violence against revisionist "thought criminals" have included:

"George Ashley, a high school history teacher and supporter of the IHR, has been the target of several terrorist attacks because of his revisionist views. In April 1982, two bricks were hurled through the front window of his suburban Los Angeles home. One month later, two gasoline fire bombs were thrown against the front of his house, and in December of 1982, JDL criminals ransacked Ashley's home, causing an estimated $26,000 in damage. (note 68) Mordechai Levy later boasted: "We warned him [Ashley] that if he continued his activity, he would pay a consequence...We warned that if the school board does not stop Ashley, we would stop him."

The FBI "extensively investigated" whether late rap music stars Tupac Shakur and Eric "Eazy-E" Wright were the victims of death threats and extortion plots hatched by individuals aligned with the militant Jewish Defense League, The Smoking Gun has learned. Following a 2-1/2 year probe, bureau officials closed the investigation in May 1999, noting that agents were unable to corroborate information provided by two confidential FBI sources.

www.thesmokinggun.com...

JDL the JEWISH DEFENSE LEAGUE : The Zionist Terror Network

www.jdl.org...

"In FBI terrorism analyses published since 1981, responsibility for 18 terrorist incidents has been attributed to groups seeking to publicize past and present injustices suffered by the Jewish people. While claims for some of these acts have been made in the names of the "Jewish Defenders,' "United Jewish Underground," and "Jewish Direct Action," 15 of the incidents were attributed to the Jewish Defense League (JDL), by far the most well known of these groups.

Also in 1985, the FBI named the Jewish Defense League as the second most active terrorist group in the United States. (Only Puerto Rican terrorists were more active during this period.) The FBI linked the JDL to 37 terrorist attacks carried out from 1977 to 1984.

Two years later, the FBI announced that Jewish extremist groups had carried out 24 terrorist acts from 1981 through 1986, 17 of which were the work of the Jewish Defense League.

Another US federal government agency, the Department of Energy, similarly characterized the JDL in a report issued in 1986

For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States. Although the JDL maintains that it is a political action group concerned with dramatizing the plight of Soviet Jewry and, in more general terms, protecting Jews and Jewish interests worldwide, the FBI has long classified it as a terrorist organization.

The underlying purpose of the JDL is to reverse the mythical image of the Jews as victims. This militancy also fuels the anti-Soviet campaign designed to create and foment new sources of tension in Soviet-American relations.

The JDL, however, has also attacked Arab, Iranian, Iraqi, Egyptian,Palestinian, Lebanese, French, and German targets in the United States In 1978 [for example], Egyptian diplomats were targeted.Attacks have also been staged by League chapters in France, Britain, Italy and Israel.

In more recent years, the official report went on,The JDL has pursued a dual-track strategy of acts of civil disobedience
and generally peaceful protest, along with acts of outright
terrorism...Bombing is the JDL's favorite tactic, accounting for 78 percent of all JDL incidents. Shootings are next, accounting for 16 percent, followed by arson, vandalism, and kidnaping, accounting for one percent each.

Since 1968, JDL operations have killed seven persons and wounded at least 22...Sixty-two percent of all JDL attacks are directed against property; 30 percent against businesses; four percent against academics and academic institutions; and two percent against religious targets.

Typically, an anonymous caller will claim responsibility for a specific terrorist act for either the JDL or one of its alleged subgroups, only to have an official spokesman for the JDL deny the group's involvement the following day.

In the past, although the JDL was among the most active terrorist organizations in the United States, the threat it posed appeared to be primarily symbolic...Recent events, however, suggest that this view requires revision. The increase of militant Jewish terrorism represents not only an escalation of violence, but a significant change in targeting patterns, as well as a dramatic shift in tactics.

As this report shows, non-governmental Zionist terrorism has been a problem for more than twenty years. It remains a serious problem today.

Espousing Jewish supremacy, the Zionist terrornetwork operates
internationally, linking Israel, Europe and the United States.

In addition to the suffering and destruction resulting directly from its many crimes,the network's campaign of bigotry fosters a dangerous climate of hate and intolerance.

Through intimidation, threat and violence, Jewish-Zionist
terrorists have succeeded in silencing numerous voices. Many others have never spoken up out of fear that they might likewise become victims.

Particularly alarming is the important support provided to these criminal groups by the government of Israel. This official collaboration poses a threat not only to the freedom and security of individuals in many countries, but to the very freedom and sovereignty of nations.

Moreover, the number of individuals and organizations that Zionist militants perceive as "anti-Semitic enemies" has increased so dramatically in recent years that any one person or group is less likely to be singled out for attack. (Even the much-feared "anti-Semite" epithet has lost much of its impact. In 1991, an Israeli government cabinet minister denounced President George Bush as "anti-Semitic" because he wasn't acting quickly enough in approving a $10 billion loan guarantee to Israel!)

The readiness of Zionist militants to use violence against those whose views they reject is an implicit admission of moral and intellectual weakness. By resorting to violence against Holocaust revisionists and others, Zionist fanatics inherently acknowledge their inability to discredit their adversaries' arguments in free and open debate. Each new act of intimidation and violence only serves to further underscore this intellectual impotence.

In the long run, ideas and arguments cannot be destroyed by violence.Holocaust revisionism, in particular, has made such strides in so many countries in recent years that it can no longer be effectively suppressed."

ONLINE BOOK: SAVE IT :FORWARD IT

www.ihr.org...

www.carolmoore.net...

www.rense.com...

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Source: www.rumormillnews.com...



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 04:08 PM
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Newspaper Report about from San Francisco Bay View:



Black August Resistance: Aaron Patterson framed again, POCC fights back

by Kalonji Jama Changa

Chief Coordinator POCC


For years, in celebration of the living concept of Black August, our families trapped behind the walls of the California concentration camps in particular and behind enemy lines in general have been handing out revolutionary ass kickings to the so-called “powers that be.” Certainly we do not want to break the tradition, because we realize, as our brother Chairman Fred Hampton Jr. says, “Black August 2004, we are at war.”

So of course it is only natural that we turn the heat up. If you will allow me, I’ll be the first to set it off by throwing a Molotov cocktail at counterinsurgency. As we lock and load, we set the scope, aiming at the arch-nemesis of my people —Cointelpro


Orchestrated by the late sinister J. Edgar Hoover and carried out by the FBI, Cointelpro (counterintelligence program) was launched by this wicked establishment to destroy and leave Africans and colonized people totally devastated. During the ‘60s, the FBI, under the direction of the demented, bitter Mr. Hoover, through Cointelpro, assassinated the character, mental and physical bodies of organizations and individuals including SNCC (Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee), RNA (Republic of New Africa), RAM (Revolutionary Action Movement), the Black Panther Party, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr. and countless other liberators.

Many people believed that during the ‘70s, after documents on Cointelpro were exposed, the counterinsurgency program ended. Nothing could be further from the truth.

As proof that Cointelpro is alive and well in recent years, you could examine the government orchestrated infamous “East-West rap beef” between New York rapper Notorious B.I.G. and California political thug rapper Tupac Shakur. Tupac, the son of two former Black Panthers, Afeni Shakur (Panther 21) and his stepfather Dr. Mutulu Shakur (currently a political prisoner), was assassinated due to his family background and political beliefs.

The Notorious B.I.G., who was later killed as well, being the most popular rap artist on the East Coast, was simply used as a tool to make the beef look authentic. It should be noted that shortly after the assassination of Tupac, his cousin Yafu Kadaffi was also assassinated. Kadaffi just so happened to be the son of another prominent movement figure, Sekou Odinga, who is also currently a political prisoner.

For a more recent glimpse of Cointelpro in full effect, take into account the re-framing of Aaron Patterson in Chicago just last week. Aaron Patterson, our warrior comrade, who was pardoned and unleashed after 18 years on death row for a double homicide he did not commit, was framed again on Thursday, Aug. 5, on what the state alleged were gun and drug charges.

We know the real reason is that since Aaron Patterson was unleashed, he has been a practitioner of the Harriet Tubman Code - Leave no man behind - and has organized support of the African Anti-Terrorism Bill. It should be further noted that while in prison, Aaron Patterson and other Black men were tortured to force confessions to crimes they did not commit.

Aaron had recently filed a lawsuit against former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge, a ringleader in the House of Screams, where the victims had electroshocks placed to their testicles and were continuously tortured. Aaron is currently being held in Chicago without bail, and has a court date today, Aug. 11.

We will give you an update in the next Bay View. It’s a new day on the plantation, and it has to be, as Frantz Fanon put it, “the year of the boomerang.” Black August Resistance!

Cointelpro five main objectives

1. Prevent the coalition of militant Black Nationalist groups.

2. Prevent the rise of a “messiah” who could unify and electrify the militant Black movement.

3. Prevent violence on the part of Black Nationalist groups.

4. Prevent militant Black Nationalist groups and leaders from gaining respectability, by discrediting them.

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www.sfbayview.com...



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 04:15 PM
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United States Freedom of Information Act detailing the Government's involvement for setting up the COINTELPRO program :

www.icdc.com...
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posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 04:19 PM
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Official FBI documents detailing the Jewish Defense League's relationship with COINTELPRO:

www.icdc.com...
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posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 04:24 PM
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The Anti Defamation League's involvement with the COINTELPRO program:

"A few months ago, Abe and Jess came by my office for a visit. I appreciated their taking the time to meet with me. I have long admired and respected the work of ADL, and I appreciate your longstanding support of the FBI. I know that under my predecessor, Louis Freeh, this partnership reached new heights. As I told Abe and Jess, I am absolutely committed to building on that relationship. - Remarks prepared for delivery by Robert S. Mueller III, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation at the Anti-Defamation League's 24th Annual National Leadership Conference Washington, DC May 7, 2002

Is Robert Mueller cracking up? Is Mueller trying to bring back COINTELPRO aided by the ADL? Is this his idea of restoring the credibility of the FBI? The association with the ADL looks more like he wants to go in the direction of a Police State.

Under the guise of “fighting terrorism,” Attorney General John Ashcroft is hoping to trash 30-year-old restrictions on the FBI’s ability to spy on religious and political organizations in the United States. This would effectively revive the FBI’s infamous COINTELPRO (“counterintelligence program”) of the 1960s. At that time, the FBI collaborated with the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B’nai B’rith to infiltrate and spy upon a wide variety of dissident American political organizations. The names of some 62,000 American political dissidents were held in the FBI’s files during that period. ... FBI guidelines were changed dramatically in the mid-1970s after widespread public outrage upon the discovery of the COINTELPRO operation—following the death of FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, who worked closely with the ADL. New protocols stipulated that the FBI was only permitted to deploy undercover operatives in churches and mosques or inside political organizations if investigators had first found “probable cause” that persons inside those groups may have committed a crime. After the institution of the guidelines restricting the FBI’s ability to spy on domestic political dissidents, however, the ADL rushed in to do the spying. The illicit fruits of the ADL’s intelligence ventures still ended up in the hands of the FBI, the BATF, the CIA, the IRS and other federal agencies with which the ADL maintained close contact. Now Ashcroft, along with new FBI Director Robert S. Mueller, are hoping to formally reinstate the old COINTELPRO under the guise of fighting terrorism. - Ashcroft Wants Domestic Spying Revived–Quickly Some good Americans inside the FBI and the Justice Department op pose a scheme by Attorney General John Ashcroft to revive the FBI’s domestic spying operation known as COINTELPRO.

The Jan. 11, 2002 issue of EIR featured a lead story, under the headline "Israeli Spies Scandal Is Too Big to Bury." We were right. We were also right, back in 1993, when we published the second edition of the underground bestseller book, The Ugly Truth About the ADL, featuring a new introductory chapter, titled "Since the First Printing: ADL in Middle of a Spy Scandal Too Big to Bury." The scandal involved top officials of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith's Fact Finding Department, who were caught illegally gathering files on tens of thousands of American citizens, including civil rights leaders, anti-apartheid activists, labor officials, politicians, Arab-Americans, and leaders of the LaRouche political movement. A year-long probe by the San Francisco Police Department into the ADL spying was ultimately stymied, but not before raids were conducted on the ADL offices on the West Coast, and on the home of Roy Bullock, the ADL's West Coast spy boss. A New Pollard Affair?

Is there an ADL connection to the Jonathan Pollard spy affair?

"In 1987, the ADL came under FBI scrutiny in the wake of the Pollard spy scandal. While assigned to the Navy's Anti-Terrorist Alert Center, where he had access to the most closely-guarded U.S. secrets, Jonathan Pollard stole thousands of pages of classified documents for Israel, which, according to Federal prosecutors, 'could fill a room the size of a large closet ... ten feet by six feet by six feet.' Pollard's handler was Avi Sella, an Israeli air force colonel whose wife worked for the New York ADL as a lawyer. Pollard later wrote to friends that a prominent ADL leader was deeply involved in the Israeli spy operation." Behind the Mask of Respectability: The truth about the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith

In November 1985, civilian U.S. Naval Intelligence analyst Jonathan Jay Pollard was arrested and charged with spying for Israel. Pollard was convicted and is still in Federal prison, but investigators never succeeded in capturing his top-level U.S. accomplices, known as the "X Committee."

"One document Pollard is believed to have slipped to the Israelis—thought to have landed in Soviet hands, albeit unintentionally—was a huge compendium of frequencies used by foreign military and intelligence services [which] cost the U.S. billions of dollars but Pollard rendered . . . useless [and, by compromising it] may have cost informants their lives." —Time magazine, Dec. 13, 1993

This is the same ADL which received $250,000 from Marc Rich and pushed his pardon

The A.D.L. and Rich By WILLIAM SAFIRE, March 29, 2001 See: ADL Watch for more

Even the JDO does not like Foxman

cease & desist letter - ADL - An archive of disturbing illustration - seems they did not like a photo on the rotton.com site

Instead of kissing ADL's ass, Mueller might do better by watching ADL and other pro-Israel organizations to see what aid they are providing to the terrorists in Israel. Is the ADL truly a non-profit - and not engaged in lobbying activities? Perhaps the FBI itself is scared to touch the Israel lobby in Washington. "

Source:

www.zpub.com...

Or alternatively:

www.webshells.com...



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 04:29 PM
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Wow. Well, we have to give this guy credit for throwing out a lot of information that says something, it just has nothing to do with his point as much as he wants it to. I can copy and paste links in too, but I usually try and make sure they back up my argument, not just back up an argument.

P.S. No disrespect is meant in any of my comments to the memory of Tupac. Never was a fan, but I don't take humor in the murder of anyone. Plus, when it gets down to it, I doubt he would appreciate his memory being tainted with this trumped up ridiculous attempt to say he was murdered by a Zionist U.S. government and in doing so legitimize that such a thing exists. You don't have any love or respect for Tupac, he's just a tool for you, as much of a tool as you claim music artists to be of your "Zionist" record companies.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 04:35 PM
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I believe they took Eazy and Tupac out. I have heard the reasons why. I forgot why because I only heard the story once. It had nothing to do with extortion. The story you gave didn't give any indications of Jewish involvement.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 07:02 PM
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Pac was insignificant of a global scale. He might have been a huge entertainer in the black community, but thats it.


I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. Tupac had a global fanbase which reached millions of people from all realms of life. Many of his fans were white. To call his influence on modern day culture insignificant would be very wrong indeed.



Tupac asasinated...lol...It was his own people that killed him. Ask Suge who killed Pac. Follow the money. It leaves a clear trail to his murderer. Not the Jews.


When people point the finger of accusation at Suge Knight, they forget about the lawyers, accountants, financial advisors etc responsible for making decisions for Suge Knight and Death Row Records. Suge Knight employed David Kenner, as his acting attorney. Steve Steiner and David Chesnoff were the financial advisors for Death Row Records. All three happen to be Jewish.

First and foremost, Suge Knight is a capitalist who understands how the entertainment industry works. He is a record company CEO who makes his money by exploiting the violent subculture of black on black crime and selling it to surburban white kids as entertainment. This is no different to what Don King does to purposely exploits young black boxers for monetary gain.





Before his death, Tupac planned on setting up a political party representing ethnic solidarity. Political movements which embrace racial unity, is considered a major threat to the current American regime. The American Government will stop at nothing to disband movements which call for the total liberation of Blacks. The intent for groups like the ADL and JDL, and Government sponsored programs like COINTELPRO is to disrupt and prevent racial solidarity in Black communities.

At one time or another, the adult figures who were closest to Tupac, throughout his childhood were on the run from Government Law Agencies. Tupac was brought up from an early age to be politically aware. His mother,Afeni Shakur, and his father, Billy Garland, were members of the Revolutionary 60s Black Panther Party.

-In 1969 Afeni was charged by the FBI for conspiring to blow up department stores and Government buildings- charges which later proved fictitious. She was incarcerated in the Women's House of Detention in Greenwich Village.

-Tupac's stepfather, Mutulu Shakur,was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List, back in March 1982- indicted by a federal grand jury under a set of U.S. conspiracy laws called "Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization" (RICO) laws. Mutulu Shakur was charged with conspiracy and participation in a clandestine paramilitary unit that carried out attempted expropriations from several banks.

-Tupac's godfather Elmer 'Geronimo' Pratt, a deputy minister in the Black Panther Party, was sentenced to life in a California prison after his conviction for the murder of a white Los Angeles grammar school teacher. Geronimo Pratt walked out of prison in June 1997 after his conviction was overturned by an Orange County Superior Court judge, who declared that the Los Angeles County District Attorney's prosecution was unlawful and corrupt. His conviction was reversed on the grounds that the US government suppressed evidence favorable to him at his trial, notably that the principal witness against him was a paid police informant. The decision was handed down midway through Pratt's 26th year in prison.

-In 1973, Tupac's aunt, Assata Shakur was falsely charged with killing both Zayd Malik Shakur, who was her closest friend and comrade, and the death of Police trooper Werner Forester. Although he was also unarmed, and the gun that killed trooper Forester was found under Zayd’s leg, Sundiata Acoli, who was captured later, was also charged with both deaths. Neither Sundiata Acoli nor Assata ever received a fair trial.



The people responsible for Tupac and Biggie's death will never be found. They are in a position of power to slip away unnoticed, whilst covering up their tracks. We will never hear anything in the press which talks about COINTELPRO who were responsible for imprisoning key members of Tupac's family during his childhood.. Nor do we read about the death threats, money extortion, which Tupac suffered at the hands of the Jewish Defence League and various other organisations. There is scant mention about the federal investigations (FBI, ATF and IRS) pertaining to Tupac, or Biggie, or the fact that both rappers were under surveillance in the general time period or night of their murders. People in this forum also seem to be overlooking the JDL/ADL association with COINTELPRO. All these elements point to the direction, that there was a deeper motive concerning the murder of Tupac Shakur.

Unless someone is willing to retrieve these secret documents from the White House, then the ugly truth beind these murders will always remain under lock and key.


And as far as Zionism goes, I urge people to open up their minds, instead of hiding behind the ignorant veil of shame. By not delving deeper into the truth, for fear of being stigmatised, you are in fact playing right into their hands. "Anti-semetism" is a code word to prevent people from speaking out against Zionism. They will confuse you with talk of the Illuminati, freemasonry, Skulls and Bones etc etc, to make it seem like there is a shadowy entity hidden in the darkest recesses of society. When in fact the shadow entity is Zionism. Zionism encapsulates all these "secret societies".
Right is right, wrong is wrong. Zionism is wrong.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by introspective

Unless someone is willing to retrieve these secret documents from the White House, then the ugly truth beind these murders will always remain under lock and key.


This is Hilarious


They are keeping documents outlining the Jewish plot to kill a freaking rapper in the white house?

Are they in Bush's desk? Or maybe he keeps it in a safe behind the flag? Maybe THATS what they keep in the suitcase that follows him around instead of nuke codes?


You are absolutely right how could we have not seen that the NWO entire plot to take over the world was threatened by a rapper


Do you know BattleofBatoche?

[edit on 17-2-2005 by Amuk]



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 08:54 PM
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Wow. Well, we have to give this guy credit for throwing out a lot of information that says something, it just has nothing to do with his point as much as he wants it to. I can copy and paste links in too, but I usually try and make sure they back up my argument, not just back up an argument.


It had nothing to do with the point because you were asking the wrong question. You're detracting away from the original theme of this thread. I have backed up all my arguments with legitimate sources. Where are your sources to prove that the Government is not controlled by a Zionist entity? Surely as a "Seeker of Truth" and "Licensed Seeker of History" you don't need a 20 year old ghetto graduate like me to explain to you the fruits of Zionism. Besides, I don't need to explain tomfoolery to you, because you're just another liberal minded fool with a cheap mouth.




" Plus, when it gets down to it, I doubt he would appreciate his memory being tainted with this trumped up ridiculous attempt to say he was murdered by a Zionist U.S. government and in doing so legitimize that such a thing exists. You don't have any love or respect for Tupac, he's just a tool for you, as much of a tool as you claim music artists to be of your "Zionist" record companies"

I have much love for Tupac. He was born and raised in the same Neighbourhood as me, the Bronx. His music reflected MY generation and MY people. He brought us the truth on all levels. His music opened the gateways of truth for me and my fellow brothers. I am not tainting his memory in the slightest. The word on the streets in every ghetto across America is that we all know who was responsible for Tupac's death. Come down to the Bronx to hear it for yourself. Oh wait...your skin tone wouldn't be able to survive that part of town. Cover your ears, because the N -word is used frequently over here. Being prone to sensitive epithets, you would die of a heart attack, to hear the common voice of a street brother, no doubt.



I believe they took Eazy and Tupac out. I have heard the reasons why. I forgot why because I only heard the story once. It had nothing to do with extortion. The story you gave didn't give any indications of Jewish involvement.


No, but the FBI reports reveal that he was being receiving death threats and being harassed by the Jewish Defense League. Nobody in here seems even remotely interested in asking why this happened. Why was an active terrorist organisation like the JDL interfering with Eazy and Tupac's business affairs? What reason did the JDL have for making "death threats" and extolling money from two rap musicians?



Here's another Copy and Paste job to clarify my point that Pac was killed by COINTELPRO. This coming straight from Tupac's father Mutulu Shakur (yes I repeat Tupac's father):




"AllHipHop: Why do you think Black leaders like C.Dolores Tucker & the Reverend Calvin Butts verbally attacked Pac?

Mutulu Shakur: Because they function as the voice of the Right Wing that never really had the interest of our people. I guess their objective was for personal motives.

AllHipHop: Can you tell us how it affected both Pac and yourself when your family was on the run from the F.B.I.?

Mutulu Shakur: From the very beginning of Tupac's life, our family has been a target of the Cointelpro. Members of our family were hunted, prosecuted, and murdered just because we struggled for our peoples’ human rights. It's something he had to adjust to.

AllHipHop: On your website (www.daretostruggle.com) you posted that you hold the Cointelpro responsible for Pac's death. Can you break down who the Cointelpro is & their motives for possibly harming Pac?

Mutulu Shakur: On our Dare To Struggle CD we break down the Cointelpro and it's relationship to Hip-Hop culture. Your readers should get the C.D. The Cointelpro is low intensity warfare headed by a division of the FBI waged against Political objectors. It's intended goal was and is to prevent the rise of a Black Messiah.

AllHipHop: I guess that could definitely be a possible motive because Pac really had a gift of touching the masses, he was kind of hip-hop's messiah.

Mutulu Shakur: That's why our people, especially young Black people believe in the spirit of Tupac. The Cointelpro's intent was and still is to keep Tupac's message disrupted.

AllHipHop: At this very moment both 2Pac and Biggies deaths are unsolved and remain a mystery. Why do you think the Feds and authorities never truly sought justice for these brothers?"





And from Assata shakur (Tupac's aunt):


"It's a definite possibility. Divide and conquer is what the FBI does best. Just look at the history. The FBI engineered the split in the Black Panther party. The police and the government have pitted organizations against each other, gangs against each other, leaders against each other. Now you've got this East coast versus West coast thing....look, we came over on the same boats, we slaved on the same plantations together, and we're all being oppressed, brutalized, and incarcerated together in mega numbers, what sense does it make for us to be fighting each other? So yes, I believe the government encouraged this in-fighting, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they set Tupac up more than once."

---Assata Shakur


And from former Vibe Editor, and close friend of Tupac, Kevin Powell:


"Whatever the case may be, I doubt that more than a few of us will ever really know the larger, uglier truths behind these two horrible deaths. In other words, what we think is the truth ain't necessarily the truth. However, as a professional journalist of 16 years, as a hiphop head of nearly 25 years, and as a political activist of 18 years, I say that we should never allow folks who do not have our best interests at heart to control our thinking. Never...."

---Kevin Powell, friend of Pac





From Tupac himself:




"In my death, people will understand what I was talking about"

"To me, I feel that my game is strong. I feel as thought I'm a shining prince, just like Malcolm, and I feel that all of us are shining princes, and if we live like princes, then whatever we want can be ours. Anything"

"Why isn't it hip-hop when I do it? Everybody else can have beef within the music, talk about differences and it's ok. It's music, it's hip-hop, it's ground breaking. When I do it, it's war."

"We talk a lot about Malcom X and Martin Luther King JR, but It's time to be like them, as strong as them. They were mortal men like us and everyone of us can be like them."

"I feel that what was done in the dark will come to light. There are secrets that everybody's gonna find out about.. and you'll know what I did it. I swear to god y'all we are living by the rules of the game"




--Tupac Shakur



Prominent voices if ever you wanted to hear any. I don't think anyone in here can overide what Mutulu or Assata said. Because they knew Pac better than anybody else.


Sources:

www.thetalkingdrum.com...
mutulushakur.com...
www.thecorpse.com...
www.daveyd.com...



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 09:14 PM
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"They are keeping documents outlining the Jewish plot to kill a freaking rapper in the white house? "


They killed JFK, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King for rallying up the masses. Same goes for Tupac. The US Government has files on every American Citizen, whether they're planning a Jewish Plot or not.


"Are they in Bush's desk? Or maybe he keeps it in a safe behind the flag? Maybe THATS what they keep in the suitcase that follows him around instead of nuke codes? "

Thats actually very funny. Very detailed sense of humour.

"You are absolutely right how could we have not seen that the NWO entire plot to take over the world was threatened by a rapper"

The way you write it makes it sound so implausible. Why does it surprise you that a "rapper" can actually make headway in the American Political system? Because he's a young black man? Is that why? If you were to study a little more on Tupac's life, you'll realise he was a very smart guy who knew alot more than you think. Sure, he resorted to using inner city ebonics, but thats because he was raised in the ghetto. But for a young man of his age (25) to achieve what he did in the short time he was here, reveals how incredible his talents were. And for a black man at that.

"Do you know BattleofBatoche?
"

No I don't. Why do you ask?



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by introspective

"You are absolutely right how could we have not seen that the NWO entire plot to take over the world was threatened by a rapper"

The way you write it makes it sound so implausible.



Could that be BECAUSE IT IS?



Why does it surprise you that a "rapper" can actually make headway in the American Political system? Because he's a young black man? Is that why?




I dont know maybe because hes a freaking SINGER
Other than a handful of teenagers no one gave a crap what he had to say and he was hardly a threat to the "Zionist Plot to do whatever yall skinheads think they are going to do" Oh wait I forgot you are an "African American" ....right

I can just see the Presidents Cabinet huddled around a table shaking in terror at the thought that his next record might go platinum
Get real




"Do you know BattleofBatoche?
"

No I don't. Why do you ask?


I just thought yall might go out Goose stepping togather



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