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originally posted by: dalepmay
Do flat-earthers think hollow-earthers are bat # crazy?
originally posted by: LungFuMoShi
Ain't been on here in a while but been seeing and hearing a lot 'bout this ol' flat Earth so thought I'd compile a shortlist of my favourite arguments that I've seen put forward by flat Earthers.
1. If the Earth is moving then why come it takes the same amount of time to fly 100 miles east as it does to fly 100 miles west?
In another, more specific variation of this argument the locations New York and Los Angeles were mentioned. I suppose what they're trying to say is that if a plane is in the air and not making direct contact with the Earth, that the rotating Earth should move inpedendently of the plane.
Thus, if the plane is moving in a direction contrary to Earths rotation it should travel at a faster rate - like the rotation of the Earth doesn't actually affect its contents, this really boggles my mind.
But then you realise that there are a lot of variables that could and do affect the time it takes to travel anywhere, a flight from NY to LA might take longer than it did previously because things travel at different speeds and can be impeded by natural phenomena like weather. Or perhaps weather is a lie perpetuated by NASA.
2. If you fly straight up, the horizon will always remain at eye level.
What? the thing that really bugs me about a lot of the flat Earth arguments is that in order to prove any of them you'd need to do the very thing that flat Earthers mostly say is impossible - you'd have to reach an altitude that many of them claim can't actually be reached.
There are no pictures of the Earth from space showing the Earths curvature, they are all CGI simply because they can't possibly have been taken - but you must consider their argument that in order to prove you'd have to do what they claim can't be done...so how can they even begin to assert that their initial claim is true if, by their own standards, it cannot actually be proved?
But then I think..who has actually done this? They tell you to go out and try these things -- I can't levitate to high altitude whilst remaining perfectly vertical. That's a key concept i think is lacking in those who use this argumet...vertical! What if I were to lay on my back and ascend directly up into the heavens...I ain't gonna see no horizon then, am I? Not even at 6ft.
Perhaps the horizon is an illusion cast by the shadowy hand of the evil NASA
3. We have no images of the Earth from space because it isn't possible.
I know, I mentioned this before. But what annoys me about this specific argument is that after a typical flat Earther tells you this they will then go on to tell you of some whacky backyard tinkerer or some famous rap guy is sending a rocket into orbit to take pictures of the Earth and show that it's flat.
So highly funded organisations that have had a wealth of experienced, learned people all contributing to this stuff for decades are trumped by some ramshackle, radio-shack Roger building a craft in his shed out of tin cans. Take this dude - Mike hughes as an example.
He built his rocket out of scrap metal...naturally, if he actually succeeds in reaching a reasonable altitude and survive his pictures will not be CGI and will conclusively prove that the Earth appears to be flat from the mile or two high he actually gets. Flat Earth folks tend not to understand the concept of mass or scale - I had one guy tell me he stood atop a block of high-rise flats here in the UK and could see no curvature therefore flat Earth.
The curved Earth theory was cooked up by and is no doubt a huge cash-cow to the evil head honchos at the notoriously develish NASA.
originally posted by: pointessa
I have a theory that anyone that is quick to ridicule FE advocates, either needs to have something to make themselves feel a little superior or they harbor a tiny bit of belief that there may be some validity to some of the assumptions being challenged by Flat Earthers.
originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
My brother now believes the Earth is flat.
Sadly he came to this conclusion from destroying his once highly intelligent brain with drugs and alcohol over a couple of decades.
So Flat Earth imho, is the result of some kind of mental illness or deterioration.
And sadly try as you might. There aint ever fixing that, no changing the mind. If they believe it now, they will always believe it.
I really do miss talking to him logically and sanely about science, space and everything.
I think it is all stupid, but I am not gonna hate on these people anymore than I would hate on someone with Schizophrenia, Down Syndrome or a belief that invisible entities control their lives.