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originally posted by: JimNasium
originally posted by: carewemust
Entire planet belongs to God.
And per the Jewish™ faith, it MUST be God that restores The Land the Jews are to call "Home". The Ones running Israel™ now are Zionist™ playing someone with Jewish faith.
But just because you as distinct group with a national identity happen to share similar genetic markers connected to some ancient people long gone doesnt mean you are a new incarnation of those people and can claim some sort of heritage. Genetics dont make you anything.
Palestinians today identify as Arabian. There is nothing with separates an Arab living in the Westbank from an Arab living in Jordan, Lebanon or Syria. They are all par fort he greater pan arabian family.
Why on earth would i think that? I believe Jews are a people not just a religion.
That,.... in conjunction with the fact that this ethnic group of genetic carriers still resides within the Promised Land, and that the displaced among them have only suffered the loss of their ancestral land between this current generation and two generations ago. It is present and ongoing, we are not talking about ancient history.
This is not entirely true. Have you spoken frankly with Arabs from many different countries? I do. On average, they tend to cling to their national identities first and foremost, then secondly to their religion, and then only as part of a “greater pan Arabian family” after those two facts. I have experienced many Arabs who tout their nationality above the nationality of other Arabs, and have even seen Muslims Arabs who refuse to give marriage blessings simply because the other Muslim Arab is of a different nationality.
The idea of a singular and cohesive Arabian family is a farce and fallacy.
Because you are basically saying that, Jews who convert to Christianity or Islam have negated their “Jewishness”,.... you label them as Arabs without acknowledging their extremely recent Jewish ancestry,... and fail to acknowledge that they are Arabized and are not true Arabs.
you can make no distinction between Arabs in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq or the Westbank.
because your grand-grand-grandfather raped a woman from a different ethnic group is totally irrelevant.
I sure as hell don’t care if they are ‘arabized’..... That’s crazy.
Declaring someone not to be ‘truly arab’ ‘truly jewish’, ‘truly german’, ‘truly russian’, ‘truly italian’ or whatever is presumptuous and insulting IMO.
2 But Abram said, “Sovereign Lord, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.”
4 Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” 5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates— 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girga#es and Jebusites.”
(Ishmael is the offspring and descendent of Abraham)
9 Then the angel of the Lord told her [Hagar], “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”
(Direct blessing for Ishmael)
When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty; walk before me faithfully and be blameless. 2 Then I will make my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers.”
3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”
9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”
(Ishmael is a descendent of Abraham. Ishmael and his descendants have observed the circumcision throughout the centuries through the Arabized-Arabs and Islam)
13 I will make the son of the slave [Ishmael] into a nation also, because he is your offspring.”
18 Lift the boy [Ishmael] up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”
15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”
originally posted by: mamabeth
Here is another interesting article that I just found and thought I would share it.
”The Jewish people have in fact lived in their land of Israel for more than 3.000 years and took possession of the city of Jerusalem itself almost exactly 3,000 years ago.”