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What do liberal socialists and alt-right Evangelical X-tians have in common?

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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: Barcs

Come on, his whole ideology is Socialist.

Obama can't do it on his own, and socialized medical programs is just the one of many steps already been taken since 1964. TPTB will do it in baby steps with their guys in office and in other means when their guys aren't in office.

Not to hard o change if bring the stock market down, have the MSM on your side and blame it all on free market capitalism, and with all the Lemming brainwashed millennial's and those from 1st grade on up through 18 will in just the next 10 years make it a socialist Democracy that is doomed to fail.

For every extreme group there is an equal and greater extreme group. The Extreme Right are no where as wicked and evil as the Extreme Left. I am neither personally I am a registered conservative. Both extremes are nuts but TPTB are the ones controlling everything.

And those so called capitalist countries are not truly capitalist, just like the US they are controlled by the Socialist Elite, they are control Wall street and every other stock exchanges around the world, they are the ones behind and funding Anarchist like the Antifa, which in truth are not anti-fascist because they practice the ideal of fascism in their so called protests.




posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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Dude, that's pure paranoia and that's not what liberals/progressives want. Even liberal politicians take the same payoffs and campaign donations that Republicans do from huge corporations that get them elected and then expect favors for it. Take that away and they have no power to win elections anymore and corporations would no longer have power in the government. Mainstream media and big corporations would NEVER go for that.

There is pretty much ZERO chance of anybody ever going full blown socialism. That would mean all of those upper 1%ers who are on the boards of directors for dozens of major companies at the same time would have to fork over their money and give up their powerhold on congress and the white house. That will never happen. Nobody would ever support that. They have way too much power to just let it go. Something like that would NEVER pass through the corporate controlled congress. Why do you think net neutrality is about to disappear? Corporations want more control.

Yeah both extremes are nuts, but liberal is by far the lesser of the 2 evils and their goal isn't economic socialism. That is completely absurd. Socialized health care is NOT economic socialism.


And those so called capitalist countries are not truly capitalist, just like the US they are controlled by the Socialist Elite, they are control Wall street and every other stock exchanges around the world, they are the ones behind and funding Anarchist like the Antifa, which in truth are not anti-fascist because they practice the ideal of fascism in their so called protests.


That's complete nonsense. They are 100% economically capitalist. The free market exists and people are still able to start up whatever businesses they want. The government regulating something that shouldn't be profit based in the first place is absolutely not socialism. You are just spreading paranoia and fear. Like I said, slippery slope fallacy. Plus look at all the capitalist countries that have socialized health care. They have had it a while and definitely aren't becoming economically socialist. It's pure paranoia. It's like arguing that gay marriage being allowed is going to lead to pedophile marriage being allowed. Completely illogical. Again, socialism is just a buzz word used by conservatives that really means nothing. It's like how people call conservatives nazis. It's just an extreme exaggeration.

You gotta find a balance between corporations and government. Right now it is VERY lopsided in favor of corporate interests determining what laws are voted in. The solution is not full blown socialism, it's regulation of corporations.


Bernie Sanders would have absolutely beat Trump if the democratic party didn't screw him. Instead they wanted Hillary, somebody who's polarizing and everybody hated. It's like they wanted Trump to win.
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posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 09:37 PM
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you been drinking to much of the socialist kool-aide in college dude.

State income tax, personal property tax, telecommunications tax (on your cell phone you're typing from) tax on your water bills, tax on your sewage, tax on your groceries these are all socialist ideas implemented on the public. Did you know that if you add your federal, state and all taxes you're charged on every thing in a year, you pay up to 50% of your income on taxes. But you won't do anything about it until you can't deduct it from your Federal Income Tax.

"More form those who can and less from those who can't" is the socialist mantra for the economy. If the tax reform goes through, I will bet you a dime for every dollar the Dem's will raise the tax rate back up to where it is today.


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posted on Dec, 19 2017 @ 03:35 PM
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Chester, again, you are being alarmist. All capitalist countries have taxes, show me a single one that doesn't. Taxes don't make a country socialist. They are necessary for the government to function. I disagree with many of the taxes myself, and agree that our government SUCKS at spending money and allocating the budget, but that's still not socialism, no matter how badly you believe it is. Socialism = full government control of businesses and resources. Regulating a few industries and taxing people is not socialism. That's like claiming that the military is a socialist organization because it uses the vast majority of our budget and is funded by tax dollars. It's silly.

You really need to look up how REAL socialist countries work, the US isn't anywhere near that, it's just alarmist nonsense rooted in paranoia to manipulate people to think regulating health care magically turns the economy socialist. It's the slippery slope fallacy, nothing more. There is absolutely zero threat of socialism taking over the US. It's fake news, like the whole "Sharia law taking over the UK" crap. Liberal / democrat doesn't automatically mean socialist any more than Conservative / republican means nationalist. They are just misused labels to trick people into thinking the opposite side is unthinkable. Don't feed the machine. As long as the free market exists, we will not be a socialist country. End of story.

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posted on Dec, 19 2017 @ 03:39 PM
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There was a great article I read the other day about how we're literally segregating ourselves by political affiliation these days. And that we can't even have logical discussions about issues anymore because it devolves into name calling and parroting of sound bytes. I see it on Facebook all the time, on here where we should be denying ignorance, and increasingly growing in real life.

I have a hard time finding a republican willing to say anything negative about Trump and a hard time finding a Democrat that will say anything negative about Hillary or Obama. We should be able to call out anyone for stupidity and bad ideas no matter our political affiliation.

For the record I'm a registered independent and will never belong to a political party ever again. I also don't watch any tv news or listen to talk radio. As a result, i'm not brainwashed. It's pretty liberating. You should try it.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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They are socialist seeing the rich pay most of the tax and the poor pay nothing but still get a refund into the thousands of dollars yet having not paid on cent in taxes.

This is what socialism is take from the rich and give it to the poor, also known as wealth distribution, a socialist ideology.

No alarmism, it is already a fact.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
There was a great article I read the other day about how we're literally segregating ourselves by political affiliation these days. And that we can't even have logical discussions about issues anymore because it devolves into name calling and parroting of sound bytes. I see it on Facebook all the time, on here where we should be denying ignorance, and increasingly growing in real life.

I have a hard time finding a republican willing to say anything negative about Trump and a hard time finding a Democrat that will say anything negative about Hillary or Obama. We should be able to call out anyone for stupidity and bad ideas no matter our political affiliation.

For the record I'm a registered independent and will never belong to a political party ever again. I also don't watch any tv news or listen to talk radio. As a result, i'm not brainwashed. It's pretty liberating. You should try it.


I agree 100%. Personally I think the Alt-Right and Socialist Left hate each other so much, because in many ways, they are the same. They see the folly of the opposing side, but refuse to acknowledge their own flaws.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Barcs

They are socialist seeing the rich pay most of the tax and the poor pay nothing but still get a refund into the thousands of dollars yet having not paid on cent in taxes.

This is what socialism is take from the rich and give it to the poor, also known as wealth distribution, a socialist ideology.

Luckily, "we are not peddlers of* the word of God as many men are" (2 Cor 2:17). *: Or “not commercializing; not making profit from.”

So we don't have to worry so much about our finances and how much tax one needs to pay as we gladly pay back Caesar what is Caesar's and God what is God's. I guess that doesn't count for most of those who voted for Trump and are calling themselves Christians while complaining about the socialists coming to take their money to give to the poor when Trump is allocating higher budgets for various departments in the military industrial complex and the government (military, NSA, counter-intelligence, anti-terrorism, war on terror, etc.; i.e. more of your tax money is going in these directions which in turn means you need an equal amount of tax revenue to pay the bills, interest on the increasing debt mostly; that's not to say other industries like the medical industrials aren't getting their continued support to continue their profit-making businesses from the government as well, that is the system of things, the way of the world).

Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will always be poor people in the land. That is why I am commanding you, ‘You should generously open up your hand to your afflicted and poor brother in your land.’

On the night before he was killed, Jesus prayed in behalf of his disciples. Knowing that they would be put under tremendous pressure by Satan, Jesus said to his Father: “I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.” (John 17:15, 16) Why is separateness from the world so important? Because Satan is this world’s ruler. Christians would not want to become part of a world that is under his control.—Luke 4:5-8; John 14:30; 1 John 5:19.

Matthew 6:19-21

19 “Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. 20 Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

1 Timothy 6:7,8

7 For we have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out. 8 So, having food* [Or “sustenance.”] and clothing* [Or “shelter.” Lit., “covering.”], we will be content with these things.

The bottom line: There is more to life than money and the things it can buy. After all, it is as the Bible says: “Even when a person has an abundance his life does not result from the things he possesses.” (Luke 12:15) Really, the greatest satisfaction in life comes from answering important questions such as these:

- Why are we here?

- What does the future hold?

- How can I fill my spiritual needs?

“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need.” (Matthew 5:3)
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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: amazing
For the record I'm a registered independent and will never belong to a political party ever again. I also don't watch any tv news or listen to talk radio. As a result, i'm not brainwashed. It's pretty liberating. You should try it.

Some people might consider it a bit naive, I know you didn't say it, but you are not immune to the influences of this system of things and the god of this system of things. He does have multiple thousands of years of experience in convincing people that he's right, on to something or worth listening to (taking advice from, accepting arguments from as being reasonable or logical even when they make no sense whatsoever, he has a way of destroying people's ability to process information and facts using logic properly and he loves playing on the emotions; those who are following his path follow suit in this behaviour and attempts to warp or spin how people use both language and logic, to make their version of reality more palatable to them, more in line with what they want to think, their often mythological version of reality, including history).
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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest

originally posted by: amazing
There was a great article I read the other day about how we're literally segregating ourselves by political affiliation these days. And that we can't even have logical discussions about issues anymore because it devolves into name calling and parroting of sound bytes. I see it on Facebook all the time, on here where we should be denying ignorance, and increasingly growing in real life.

I have a hard time finding a republican willing to say anything negative about Trump and a hard time finding a Democrat that will say anything negative about Hillary or Obama. We should be able to call out anyone for stupidity and bad ideas no matter our political affiliation.

For the record I'm a registered independent and will never belong to a political party ever again. I also don't watch any tv news or listen to talk radio. As a result, i'm not brainwashed. It's pretty liberating. You should try it.


I agree 100%. Personally I think the Alt-Right and Socialist Left hate each other so much, because in many ways, they are the same. They see the folly of the opposing side, but refuse to acknowledge their own flaws.


I almost think the far, far left and far far right have it correctly. Both of them! We know corporate sponsored Democrats and Republicans aren't working any more. Even Trump is doing some things for big corporations and billionaires. We're getting table scraps. If we're going to be liberal than be liberal, not a stereotypical liberal and by the same token, if you're going to be conservative then embrace some libertatian ideas and don't be a stereotypical conservative.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Barcs

They are socialist seeing the rich pay most of the tax and the poor pay nothing but still get a refund into the thousands of dollars yet having not paid on cent in taxes.

This is what socialism is take from the rich and give it to the poor, also known as wealth distribution, a socialist ideology.

No alarmism, it is already a fact.


Again, that has nothing to do with economic socialism. In true socialism it's more balanced. Here we have the top 1% of wealthy owning 90% of the money. It's extremely lopsided, so we make up for it by taxing them more because they can afford it. It makes sense if you are not a greedy POS. It's all paranoia. If you think the government spends too much money on helping people who are less fortunate, then start arguing with them about their humongous military budget that cripples our education and health care. They could easily find more money by cutting it back, even just a little bit, but the nationalist right (sorry couldn't resist) will never have that because they are afraid of not having the largest military in the world by far even though we couldn't even beat a small country like Iraq where everyone pretty much hated their leader at the time. It's a joke. Sorry, there's nothing socialist at all about our country. We have more in common with nationalism than socialism.

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