I am no longer walking on the path of Islam .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

You still don't know there are any creator gods though but interesting reply.

originally posted by: TJames

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: TJames
a reply to: Kapusta

I've used it a few times in life and still don't believe in gods. Fantastic trip though I agree.

Well then I would say you have some spirtul work to do my friend .

What was the message you got from your journey?

I'd love to discuss this in more depth but I'm pretty sure it's against ATS rules so we'd probably best leave it for another dimension.

Kind regards to you though

Fair enough James. Feel free to message me :]

a reply to: Itisnowagain

“I” have already said that “I” understand and agree with you. Shall “I” continue to frame my “I” with parentheses?,... or would you like me to refer to this human vehicle as tathagata?

Many fundamental truths are self evident through non-attachment, samadhi, and the realization of interconnectedness and co-dependent co-arising. I agree that, fundamentally, there are no enduring separate-selves linked to any separate or lesser egos, however, I do posit that there is a singular and unifying quality/essence/principle within and without all. I feel comfortable referring to this as Atma, a Spark of the Divine, a Ray of the Absolute, or the Spirit of God.

In addition to this,... just as this ATS forum functions within certain parameters,... just as there are operational rules for the utilization of the technology that you are using to communicate herein,... likewise, there are Natural Laws inherent within this physical existence and reality, such as cause-and-effect, which illustrates progress, movement, time, and thought within this physical reality/existence.

If you disagree:

‎لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ
“To you be your way, and to me mine.”
Qur’an 109:6

a reply to: Itisnowagain

In the appearance of life (the image of God) apparent people are giving up porn.

In the appearance of life (the image of God) apparent people are apparently giving up apparent porn.

originally posted by: Sahabi
a reply to: Itisnowagain

“I” have already said that “I” understand and agree with you. Shall “I” continue to frame my “I” with parentheses?,... or would you like me to refer to this human vehicle as tathagata?

The video was a gift - sorry, it was not meant as a accusation.
Namaste.

In my opinion it's unfortunate that perverted scripture, the Bible is true

Only Jesus saves.
Not papacy or any other religion.

cheers

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I don’t mean to be too harsh really, I grew up in Islam as a youth after years as a street person, called the adhan, led Salat know and then and know what I’m talking about.
Been there done that, more or less.


Anyway, your right they serve a function.


My take on Imams really is reference to all religious clericals


Teach and emphasize love more and the unity of man, not just loving your own religonists

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: DAVID64

able to summon angles

Yeah, I've met religious leaders that are pretty obtuse. I avoid them by reflex.

The key is to be your own "religious leader "

Good choice in avoiding them

That's what Jesus says, in The Gospel of Thomas.

Jesus said, "It is impossible for a man to mount two horses or to stretch two bows. And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters; otherwise, he will honor the one and treat the other contemptuously. -- The Gospel of Thomas #47

So, you only have these 3 choices
1) serve master A
2) serve master B
3) become your own master, taking what you like from both A and B and creating your own dogma "C" to follow.

See?

As a master, you can do anything.

But, as a servant, you're limited to what your master says you must do.

originally posted by: anti72
Only Jesus saves.
Not papacy or any other religion.

cheers

Spot on. Praise the Lord

Many Muslims are seeing dreams and visions of Jesus Christ and coming to salvation by putting their faith in Him. Return to Jesus, put your faith in Him and receive times of refreshing.

www.wnd.com...

a reply to: SevenThunders

You know that the Prophet Jesus is one of the 4 most revered prophets in Islam, right? The Qur'an even calls him the Messiah several times, like here (Surah 3, Ayat 45, Pickthall Translation):

45. (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

The single biggest difference is that Islam sees Jesus as a human prophet that served God and did miracles strictly with God's permission. There's no trinity or sharing of power between them; it's a master (God) & servant (Jesus) relationship, just as it was with every other prophet.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
The single biggest difference is that Islam sees Jesus as a human prophet that served God and did miracles strictly with God's permission. There's no trinity or sharing of power between them; it's a master (God) & servant (Jesus) relationship, just as it was with every other prophet.

I would say that the man named Jesus was unable to do anything about the way his life unfolded - he was not in control - he did not choose to go to the cross - it was the way it had to go. Jesus knew this and went without blaming anyone.
What do you think?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Denying the Holy Trinity is akin to blasphemy, which is neither forgivable is this life or the life to come

originally posted by: Hyperboles
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Denying the Holy Trinity is akin to blasphemy, which is neither forgivable is this life or the life to come

The good thing about life is that we get to choose our own spiritual paths. In other words, we'll see on Judgment Day if you're correct or not lol.

Not even all Christians believe in the Trinity, or that he was God, or that he was an avatar of God, or that he was the "son" of God, or that he was the Word given flesh, or that he was actually the Angel Michael in human form, etc. Christian denominations can't even agree on the basics, which is exactly the same problem I see with the different denominations in Islam.

So yeah, your denomination may believe in the Trinity, but that doesn't mean it's true. It's not like any of us were alive back then, so we're all simply going by the words of others when debating scriptures. The only way we'll know for sure is when Judgment Day comes.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Different Islamic teachings have vastly different views on the crucifixion so I'll just stick with the basics. Most Muslims believe he wasn't crucified at all and/or believe that he was replaced by someone else on the cross (some even say by Judas, who'd repented - I think that's from the Gospel of Barnabas).

And depending on how some verses in the Qur'an are translated or interpreted, it can seem like the Qur'an is 1) denying the crucifixion, 2) denying that his crucifixion killed what he stood for, or 3) saying that it wasn't their actions which actually killed him, but God choosing to bring Jesus back to him. For example, here's Surah 4, Ayats 156-159 (Pickthall translation):

156. And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny;

157. And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

158. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

159. There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them -

And here's Surah 3, Ayat 55 (Picthall translation):

55. (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

You can compare this with various other translations and it becomes hard to tell what is exactly being said. And since various non-Quranic sources say different things too, it becomes even harder to know for sure.

However, I must point something out. The Prophet Jesus's cause of death would have no effect on the core points of Islam. Our beliefs are centered around things like:
1) Accepting the existence of God, His Angels, His Prophets, His Books, the Day of Reckoning and Judgment Day, Heaven, Hell, the Jinn & Shaytan;

2) Accepting that our lives on Earth are a huge series of tests which will determine if we're worthy of getting into Heaven or going to Hell;

3) Accepting that God's teachings are guidance to help us navigate the world better, to help us become the best servants of God that we can be, and to help us pass those various tests so we can get into Heaven.

I believe the Qur'an doesn't go into a lot of details on stuff like a prophet's skin color, hair color, favorite foods, etc because that stuff has nothing to do with the core message of Islam. I also believe that the Prophet Jesus being crucified has nothing to do with the core beliefs of Islam, since we worship the God who inspired and sent the Prophets, not the Prophets themselves. So whether a prophet died in his sleep or died because his cane broke & caused him to fall to his death, it wouldn't effect the core beliefs one bit.

Haha, I basically said all of that just to say that I don't care how he died or if he was crucified. All that matters to me are his words and actions (and seeing if the things attributed to him match up with God's other teachings). and that's how I feel about every other prophet, too. The rest is just food for thought to me.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

The difference is that I already know the Truth, thanks to His Mighty Grace

a reply to: Hyperboles

But that's what every believer says. Even I've said that lol. But clearly all of us "believers" aren't being shown the same "truths" or else we'd be following the exact same teachings. That's why I say we'll see on Judgment Day who's correct. Until then, it really doesn't matter.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

The last emperor 😊

a reply to: enlightenedservant

off course it matters. the time to get saved is now or be lost forever. but if you are already in devil's camp, there is no redemption, tho i like to be wrong on that one. No true Christian wants anyone to be lost forever