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posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Justso

A) It hasn’t been 200 years..

B) that is less than 2 life times ago..

We are not talking Ancient Greece or Rome..

We are taking about great, great grand parents..

Still operating Businesses are older than that..



Less than 200 years, but longer than great, great grandparents.
I'm in my 50's and my great, great grandparents wouldn't have been old enough (if they had lived in the south) to be around for slavery.




posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

Ridicule? At least I'm not self-righteous. You guys are a bunch of phonies living in a bubble of the past. That's sad.

The op posted a very poignant post that as a Southerner I'd heard all my life. I see the changes the Blacks have been given and the strides some have made and some have squandered.

This country has fallen back into slavery discussions due to one big loser-Obama-who became president and did nothing to heal this country.

Now hit me. But I will not continue with this diatribe of self-important, ridiculous, not even discussion of the op's comments.

You've enjoyed yourselves enough-continue with your back-patting. Ug.
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posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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Chris Rock defines slavery, affirmative action and civil rights...

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posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Justso

Yea, hate for people to point out the atrocities you still benefit from.. right??? right???

Lol.. just lol..

Also I bet you say removing he confederate monuments is “erasing history.”


As you just specificlly asked to erase history.. lol


I posted the same thing about anold cobfederate General... I bet you stared and flagged it....


I’m gonna check..





Please enlighten me, how am I benefiting from slavery that was ended before any of my family on either side arrived in America?

Mom's side came here just after the civil war because they were to poor to buy potatoes in Ireland, Dads side came over during WW1 when the germans tried to conscript my great great grand dad, he had to walk out of Slovenia with what he was wearing a change of clothes and enough money for a boat trip to the states.

You made an absurd statement, put it in bold to make sure you can find it, and I would really like clarification on it.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: Merlynn

Fair enough..

Shouldn’t have said personally..

Farmers don’t make much?!?!

You mean small time farmers being stepped on by the big conglomerates don’t make much.. maybe..

My grandfather farmed 1,000 acres of soybeans his whole life and got a brand new truck every year..

(maybe it was 100 acres?? Can’t believe I don’t remember that... I’ve said it a gajillion Times, but he died when I was 12 and I haven’t referenced it in a decade ...

It was about a mile square in central LA .. maybe 3/4 by 3/4 of a mile.. not sure if that’s 100 or 1000.. don’t do much acre math lately lol.. )

So....


Yes kids can be mean.. yes blacks tend to group a little better than whites do.. so yes that gives bullies an advantage, and yes school systems have a hard time policing bully kids of all races for mistermeanors...


You think there isn’t some white trash bully that’s getting away with terrorizing someone literally right now..



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

I was obviously talking about family farms, we didn't own an industrial farm. Now a days many farmers don't even own their land, they lease it from rich people. Lots of people in politics buy land and lease it to farmers. The principle at the grade school my mom worked at owned farm land and leased it out.

I know lots of people who used to get a new car or truck every year, they were far from rich, they weren't even well off. My Uncle (by marriage) was a used car salesman, he made good money. He still lost it all when he got cancer.

In the schools around here, it's black bullies.

Where I grew up, mostly white, I wasn't bullied, I didn't see obvious bullying, that happened in a classroom. Nobody was hitting the teachers. A lot of the stuff now is happening in the classroom. Was there bullying? Probably. But the actual "bullying" I saw was people on the team (cross country) picking on the new kid (which they liked and he liked being picked on). They all hung out together, basically they were just playing pranks on him.

Thirteen Baltimore schools, not one kid proficient in math.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: Hecate666




Black slaves were more expensive than Irish slaves and were hence looked after in the same way you'd look after anything that cost you money.


No.


The intent of the article is thus patently clear; to insidiously equate indentured servitude or penal servitude with racialised perpetual hereditary chattel slavery. This is an obscene rhetorical move which decontextualises and dehistoricises the exploitation of both groups. There have been many different forms of slavery, across space and time. That is not the issue here. We are addressing the mainstream endorsement of a growing white nationalist campaign built on the reductionist fallacy of “slavery is slavery” which is inevitably used to justify racism in the present. For example, the spurious “we went through the same thing, but we don’t complain” sentiment which is now frequently deployed to silence debate and to mock demands for justice and truth-telling.


Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves” disinformation



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 09:58 AM
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And while you all bicker and claw at each other about past events, waving your hands over your shoulders, the world still turns and time ticks forward. And everyone wonders why we as a species have such a slow advancement. Here's an idea...we take everyone who had a slave owner as a relative and make them slaves. Would that make it better? No? Then stfu about it, and get on your with your lives and do something to enhance our way of living now.

I hate you all



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: Justso
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Are you still living in a 200 year ripple effect? That's real sad. 200 years later. Real sad. Try to catch up.

Actually, you might want to catch up on the notion of economics and the creation of wealth.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 10:29 AM
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Actually, you might want to catch up on the notion of economics and the creation of wealth.


If you could, please elaborate on the specifics of that concept as it directly relates to the topic of slavery; of how an institution--the infrastructure of which largely being obliterated during the post-civil war reconstruction era--made us beneficiaries of slavery .



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox




My grandfather farmed 1,000 acres of soybeans his whole life and got a brand new truck every year.. (maybe it was 100 acres?? Can’t believe I don’t remember that... I’ve said it a gajillion Times, but he died when I was 12 and I haven’t referenced it in a decade ... It was about a mile square in central LA .. maybe 3/4 by 3/4 of a mile.. not sure if that’s 100 or 1000.. don’t do much acre math lately lol.. )


So if you were 12, unsure whether it was 100 or 1000 acres then you wouldn't even know the first thing about his finances. Whether he borrowed/leased the truck or paid outright.



blacks tend to group a little better than whites do


Thats an unfounded racist stereotype - LOL


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posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: Justso


At least I'm not self-righteous. You guys are a bunch of phonies living in a bubble of the past. That's sad.

Not self-righteous, thinks everyone else is phony.

riiiight...



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

A) My momma told me.. lol

It was his gift to himself at harvest. He traded the other one in every year of course,



But he did well enough..

Reguardless the 100 acre farmer is not the average..

B)More anecdotal than unfounded, lol.


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posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: timequake

Where your right a large portion would have been destroyed during the war, a lot the same planters who became extremely wealthy before the war, continued to be insanely wealthy afterward.


So it is not a zero sum game either way..

Sure some don’t retain any of the profits some absolutely do..



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: Merlynn

I bet a teacher gets hit in every school in America , every year or so..

I know they did in all of mine..

Poor people tend to be uneducated..and honor cultures tend to be violent..

The south is an honor culture that glorifies violence and. Feels desrespect is worth physical violence..

That’s not a race thing..

You put a trailerpark worth of white trash , in a room with a ghetto full of thugs and see what you get..



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: Hecate666
www.antislavery.org...

I personally feel for these guys [above] quite a bit more. They are not past their misery, they are still, right now being slaves, yet the oldtimers are highlighted.

Yes, it is interesting to hear historical accounts but I feel sick for a variety of reasons.
First of all, the old guys are not slaves any longer.
All black people who live in modern, civilised countries have made a whole business [getting money, special status etc] out of something that most of their families weren't even part of. Just because you are black doesn't mean your ancestors were actual slaves.

Black slaves were more expensive than Irish slaves and were hence looked after in the same way you'd look after anything that cost you money.

Not all slaves were mistreated. Most humans are actually empathic enough not to mistreat a fellow human, those that do are basically bastards. They probably mistreated their wives and kids and white maids just the same.

Slaves were rounded up by their own people who didn't give a toss. Anyone want to have a 'go' at them?

The biggest slave owners then and now are not white people but arabs.

White people fought against slavery until it was made illegal. Anyone want to thank them? No?

I really care about modern day slaves. Why are black people not on the forefront against these practices [considering their ever present experience] or does it only count when it is black people and everyone else can go and make love to themselves?

I care that slavery happened in unenlightened times but it isn't keeping me awake, considering it has been made illegal and is not done by whitey any longer. However modern day slavery does keep me awake. Those poor souls that are right at this moment, beaten, burned, raped and who would love to pick cotton instead; deserve our [and especially black people's] attention and actions.

I can't stand victim mentality for gain. Stop moaning and help others now.



But the more they bring up past slavery the less people think about the fact that not only is physical slavery still going strong around the world but the 'free' people in most places are not mucg better off. How free is anyone who works paycheque to paycheque 5-6 days a week at one or two jobs just to keep a roof over their head and modern day workplaces in general seem pretty controlled. I don't work in a place like this but how many workplaces do random drug tests, fire people for political views or activity done outside of work that has no effect on work, spy on their employees through social media or company devices...our shop installed gps devices on our install vans not long ago(though to be fair the installers were #ing around) that tracks everything about the vehicles location and speed at all times...more and more even so called 'free' people are being treated like slaves.

Recently I was reading about states revoking work and drivers licenses for people missing on student loans removing their ability to work and pay back said loan. How do these people do anything at that point.

A lot of places I've travelled in to in the USA were towns that consisted of nothing but a gas station, several fastfood places and a church. Places like that which, from what I could tell, were fairly common across at least the states I went through. Separated by 100's of miles of empty highways dotted by anti-suicide and anti-meth billboards. How is anyone living in a place like that any better off than a slave?
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posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

You put any white people in with blacks we already know what happens. Thousands of videos on Youtube, Colin Flaherty's site shows it. Old white women getting raped by black teens, old people and young people getting beat, killed by blacks, Asians getting beat, robbed and killed by blacks, etc, etc, etc.

If the teachers and schools could punish the kids like they used to AND parents taught their kids to behave, schools wouldn't be like that, they weren't were I grew up. Now they scared, more scared after Obama said it was racist to punish blacks. Any disparity was because of racism -- lies and there are thousands of videos with school beatings. What there are not videos of are white people acting like that and in the same number, that is, it is rare.



posted on Nov, 23 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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Explaining why you are wrong would be like showing card tricks to a dog.

I blame the American education system.



posted on Nov, 24 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: timequake


Actually, you might want to catch up on the notion of economics and the creation of wealth.

If you could, please elaborate on the specifics of that concept as it directly relates to the topic of slavery; of how an institution--the infrastructure of which largely being obliterated during the post-civil war reconstruction era--made us beneficiaries of slavery .

Sorry, I am not prepared to invest a lot of time in backing up a notion that I see as self-evident, because there are other themes at play in this thread and I recall the adage about teaching a pig to whistle. I will simply stand on what I had to say, that today's America remains the beneficiary of wealth created by a slave economy. If the topic is of interest, it may easily be explored.




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