Mutiple shooters confirmed by taxi driver footage WE are being lied too.1st 2 Mins vid

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: watchitburn

hm..on second hearing...I'm not sure about that.

The echo is simply not consistent, if it is echo...every shot should be echoed, no ?


edit:

perhaps the gunman changed weapons during the firing. Perhaps that could explain the differences in shot sounds ?

Firing from windows on two different sides of the building, would have echoed differently.

a reply to: Domo1
I somewhat agree with you especially when it comes to the victims. We don't have the right to know what is going on with them and it's wrong to speculate over them. The criminals however lost all their rights and do deserve to be exposed whoever they are. I don't want to come across as disrespectful and I know this is a extremely tragic event but here in this thread we are discussing multiple shooters and not emotions.

a reply to: watchitburn

More like what Brit said, the microphones from the stage picked up the sound of the bullets casting it through the speakers.... the difference in sound of ammunition depends on which direction peoples phone cameras were pointing ?

a reply to: TrueBrit

And that ladies and gentlemen is thinking out of the box.

There are multiple explanations and scenarios. The video does not "confirm Mutiple shooters" as the thread title claims. It may be one of dozens of explanations for the sounds heard in the video.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: 727Sky

I am having a thought here.

Were the shots loud enough that the sound of them was picked up by microphones at the festival, and amplified, causing the delay and the difference in apparent distance, that some people experienced?

Ah very observant but I don't think the stage mic's would have much of a delay if any at all. No more than 1 second at most because of the 400 yard distance.

a reply to: AnonymousTi

Sound is a very strange an interesting thing capable of amazing mindbogglingly tricks. You cannot possibly rule anything out as a possibility.

a reply to: AnonymousTi

I did not mean delay as in effects delay, that would make no sense at all.

I think of it like this... if your friend fires a shot way away over there some place, and you wait for the sound to hit your ear, it comes in at a certain speed. If your friend fires the same shot, but somewhere off to the left or right, you put a mic and a speaker, the sound which issues from the speaker is going to reach your ear AFTER the sound which issued direct from the gun, even without delay, as an artifact of being passed through the mic, down a wire, into the amplifier, and passing through the process of being blasted out of the speaker cone.

a reply to: watchitburn

Firing from windows on two different sides of the building, would have echoed differently.

it's not about the difference in sound so much as in the sound pattern. If you shoot bam bam bam...then the echo has to be bam bam bam...if there is one.

When you look at the video...it appears that some shots do not have the supposed echo.

originally posted by: scubagravy
a reply to: watchitburn

More like what Brit said, the microphones from the stage picked up the sound of the bullets casting it through the speakers.... the difference in sound of ammunition depends on which direction peoples phone cameras were pointing ?

Please... go listen to the taxi audio... the sound coming at 0.43 is not echoing from anything, because there is nothing to precede it... then go to 1.07 and listen to the sound of gunfire which practically sounds as if it is coming from directly above the cab and then echoes...

And that man, running from room to room THAT far apart... he's 64, probably drunk and unfit and then run and then shoot again. Doesn't make sense.

There has to be two shooters.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: AnonymousTi

I did not mean delay as in effects delay, that would make no sense at all.

I think of it like this... if your friend fires a shot way away over there some place, and you wait for the sound to hit your ear, it comes in at a certain speed. If your friend fires the same shot, but somewhere off to the left or right, you put a mic and a speaker, the sound which issues from the speaker is going to reach your ear AFTER the sound which issued direct from the gun, even without delay, as an artifact of being passed through the mic, down a wire, into the amplifier, and passing through the process of being blasted out of the speaker cone.

Good... tell me... from where did the sounds at 0.43 echo from? Where...? There was no gunfire to precede that "echo"...

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: watchitburn

Firing from windows on two different sides of the building, would have echoed differently.

it's not about the difference in sound so much as in the sound pattern. If you shoot bam bam bam...then the echo has to be bam bam bam...if there is one.

When you look at the video...it appears that some shots do not have the supposed echo.

Exactly what I'm trying to say if you pay close attention to the video you will notice this.

originally posted by: AnonymousTi

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: 727Sky

I am having a thought here.

Were the shots loud enough that the sound of them was picked up by microphones at the festival, and amplified, causing the delay and the difference in apparent distance, that some people experienced?

Ah very observant but I don't think the stage mic's would have much of a delay if any at all. No more than 1 second at most because of the 400 yard distance.

Again right..... and still no one is adressing the shots fired at 0.43 which have NO preceding shots to echo from in the first place.

You get a pretty good idea of how the echo react to the gunfire closest to the cab at 1.07, it's not even echoing by 1 second, it's like immediately after he begins to fire.

I am unconvinced by the flashes of light seen in the taxi driver's video to originate from about the 4th floor. It's difficult to be certain because the relevant footage lasts only for a couple of seconds. But it seemed to me that the flashing continued after the gunfire stopped, suggesting it was a strobe light or a reflection of flashing neon lights. It did not synchronize with the sound. The video camera was too close to the hotel at the time for this to be due to sound delays. So the evidence for shots being fired from more than one floor is unconvincing and might easily be due to reflections from strobe lights or hotel neon lights, especially as some people in social media have claimed having noticed these flashes long before the firing started and to see them still after it finished. Besides, there is no evidence of any other broken windows in the hotel that would have been shattered by heavy gun fire, whilst all windows in the hotel were kept shut, making it impossible for guests to open them.

At present, there are at least two unambigous signs discrediting the "lone gunman theory":
1. the TV interview with a woman reporting that an Asian woman was escorted by police off the concert grounds because she had been frightening people with talk that that they were all going to die. This clearly means that she was in on a conspiracy.The former girlfriend of Stephen Paddock was an Asian. But the media have reported that she was abroad at the time of the mass shooting, although nothing they say can of course be taken at its face value as they merely repeat uncritically what the authorities want them to convey to the general public.....
2. The calibre of the gunshot was NOT that of a AR even on fully automatic. It was too heavy and continuous for that. It had to be that of a platform weapon, such as machine gun, not a rifle fired from the shoulder even if it were fed from a belt. It would have been surely impossible to conceal such a large weapon being brought into the hotel when the killer signed in. Even a modified AR would not make the sustained, rhythmic firing sound recorded in many videos.

a reply to: micpsi

Please stop talking about the damn flashes and focus on the audio......

originally posted by: scubagravy
a reply to: watchitburn

More like what Brit said, the microphones from the stage picked up the sound of the bullets casting it through the speakers.... the difference in sound of ammunition depends on which direction peoples phone cameras were pointing ?

Yup that's good point to that I didn't think about.

originally posted by: flice

originally posted by: AnonymousTi

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: 727Sky

I am having a thought here.

Were the shots loud enough that the sound of them was picked up by microphones at the festival, and amplified, causing the delay and the difference in apparent distance, that some people experienced?

Ah very observant but I don't think the stage mic's would have much of a delay if any at all. No more than 1 second at most because of the 400 yard distance.

Again right..... and still no one is adressing the shots fired at 0.43 which have NO preceding shots to echo from in the first place.

You get a pretty good idea of how the echo react to the gunfire closest to the cab at 1.07, it's not even echoing by 1 second, it's like immediately after he begins to fire.

I agree...it is most likely not echo.

It's either a second shooter...or for me...more likely...different guns have been fired in different directions.

a reply to: flice

I am just making suggestions flice.

Since we are speculating in any case, we could just as easily speculate that someone fired back from the ground, with a personal weapon. Vegas has some of the most relaxed laws on gun ownership and carriage in America, with the only permits being required, in the event that someone wishes to carry a concealed weapon. Its possible that someone fired at the hotel with a weapon they were not permitted to carry concealed, in response to the shots from that direction, and has not come forward to say as much because they fear legal action being bought against them because of the way they carried their weapon.

a reply to: TheJesuit

Once again, people sitting in their living room know better than people who were actually there. The number of acoustic engineers on this site is astonishing.

a reply to: micpsi

The flashes at the lower floors could just be people walking in front of flood lights. As for the weapons most likely a AR platform because the police have already release some details about the weapons and I made a whole thread about it.

"Some of the firearms recovered from the hotel room had scopes, while two were reportedly modified to make them fully automatic."

www.telegraph.co.uk...

From what I checked and compared in professional audio software it's most likely 5.56 with gatling trigger mod.

maybe the second shooter is here