Should USA have a process and invitation to other Nations to join the USA?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Wasn't Hawaii a sovereign nation before joining the US in 1959?

No. Bad example. It was a US Territory, like Puerto Rico is now.

It ceased being a sovereign nation when the monarchy was overthrown by American capitalists in 1893. In a nutshell.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
I don't think so.. They would have to 1St BE a state to join the united ones...

That's not accurate. Several of the existing states were not even organized territories when they became states.

As you said...understood...but you just explained. Those places werent even organized territories when we took them on as one of our states...let alone a completely separate, established, sovereign country.

So an organized, existing country with their own government, military, laws, language, currency etc ? Thats completely different.

So, we potentially could have the 51st State of Italy...the 52nd state of Holland etc...53rd State of Canada...etc, etc

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*I could see the North, Central and South AMERICAs (already referred to as such)...all newly combining and referenced as one whole.

Last time states tried to leave it caused a Civil War.
Although, I really would like California and Texas to leave and keep the illegal immigrants and build their own military. It would save us a ton of money and that could be our "wall."

Typically, we conquer nations if we want them part of the United States and usually for a reason that it will strengthen the country.

Territories remain territories usually for military reasons, not economic ones. A territory must be able to support itself or bring something very strong otherwise.

a reply to: Justso

Typically, we conquer nations if we want them part of the United States and usually for a reason that it will strengthen the country.

Or the pocketbooks of some. It happened. See above.

Only if every state is recognized as a sovereign country and votes to join US first. Let's gamble

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: SR1TX

So could California, which would probably be worse for the nation.

However, the question of the legality of secession is open.

I thought that the balance of power between a state and the Federal Government in the US would be a kind of stalemate, where the use of force say by the Federal Government, in that state could be seen as an act of war by that state, and any agreement up the left.
I suppose though nobody envisages that except perhaps the military in a war game scenario...and probably dumped it if so.

a reply to: Phage

So it was a sovereign nation/kingdom before it was forced to become a US territory before it became a State.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

In a nutshell. Yes.

It was very ugly.

The benefits to other country would be the US dollar and increased foreign investment.
I think this would essentially lead to Imperialism V2.0. If the US thought it would benefit itself by having a country join it, it could support candidates. It also seems like a sovereignty issue, one leader decides its a good idea to join the US, and then that country ceases to be a sovereign state anymore.
I don't even want to think about countries that are attempting to increase their influence through force (like Iran, China, or Russia) thinking it is okay to do this as well.

a reply to: olaru12

Complete BS.

Some folks want to. Its always that way. Look up the Republic of Texas.

Its not a hand out. We either rebuild the gulf or your gas prices stay $0.50 to $1 a gallon higher. Think of it as helping yourself and commerce nationwide. And itll stay that way for as long as our refineries only crack sour crude, meaning we have to import. Through Houston.

a reply to: mysterioustranger


Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Texas a sovereign nation when it petitioned to join?

a reply to: Xeven

Why would other nation want to join the US in its increasingly rapid slide into tyrrany??

The only reason they've been doing that is because the US and its powerful ally have been doing whatever it takes to get other naitons onto their sinking ship. No means are off the table.

my own country is one of them.

a reply to: riiver

No. And they didn't petition. They wanted to be their own country... But as we see...

Like Key West Florida wanted to succeed and become the Conch Republic...

Where are you from again? Curious..... Best

a reply to: Xeven

Good lord no...

The take up would be minimal. Many nations have not yet abandoned all sense of good taste and decorum, and would find an alliance with America, given its current leadership, and all those dirty, low brow fascists in the nation, rather unappealing. Get rid of your Nazi problem and the President, and folk might be slightly more willing to get involved.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
So an organized, existing country with their own government, military, laws, language, currency etc ? Thats completely different.

So, we potentially could have the 51st State of Italy...the 52nd state of Holland etc...53rd State of Canada...etc, etc
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Yes, and these ideas were all floated after WWII. It is perfectly possible under the Constitution.

Hows about the reverse. Other nations take on a US State as an Overseas Territory and bring it's custom and ideology together on one continent whilst also respecting the current Constitution. A state changes a law you don't agree with then you can up sticks and go somewhere else relatively easily.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Xeven

Good lord no...

The take up would be minimal. Many nations have not yet abandoned all sense of good taste and decorum, and would find an alliance with America, given its current leadership, and all those dirty, low brow fascists in the nation, rather unappealing. Get rid of your Nazi problem and the President, and folk might be slightly more willing to get involved.

Good taste and decorum? lol, heavens lord you're blind. EU is over run with economic immigrants, trust in that we don't want any.

Secondly, No nazi problem, ignorant much? probably. In case you forgot, we defeated them in WW2 when your nation was burned to the ground, economically broke and cried for help, don't worry, we were there. Tough pill to swallow, enjoy.

Seeing you lack any kind of knowledge in regards to American alliances, we are rather appealing compared to many countries. Its our diversity that makes us appealing.

Economic and military assistance is all that is needed in those regards. Considering how much we lend to countries and our portion of committment to the UN.

Since you want to be dumb, I'll be dumb too, if I want to go to Britain, all there is are old castles and surging crowds of islamist quickly eroding that culture of yours 🙄 Halal meat anyone?

a reply to: Arnie123

Again, you are misrepresenting history.

America turned up years late, then charged for their services. We do not owe you anything. The debt is paid sir, and it was a bloody mercenary thing to do, to raise one in the first place. That is your nations legacy. If your nation had given a damn, your forefathers might have deemed it wise to get involved before the Nazis bombed our cities to ruin. Luckily, we survived, but thats very little thanks to your lot.

a reply to: Arnie123

Actually....we hemmed and hawed, sent in aid, but never had the backbone to commit until someone allowed the Japanese to destroy Pearl Harbor. We also funded the Nazi's. The US made bank off of enormous amounts of human suffering.

Europe would have fallen without our help. And we let millions die before we did anything. Yes, we should be proud that our men and women put their whole effort into such a noble act as defeating the Nazi's. And we should be ashamed that our government, true to freaking form, welcomed those SOB's in and allowed them to influence policy. And we raped Germany of its intellectual property by stealing the bulk of its patents. Not that i object to this...but then we put some of that stuff into practice. The same stuff the world fought to keep from happening...we rolled it right into the hands of the military to use on American citizens.

The USA, as a thought or a notion, is fantastic. The USA as the People allow it to run is a travesty to the 2 ideals it pretends to hold highest: Freedom and Justice. The proof for this is splashed across all media outlets every single day.

a reply to: Xeven

Why would the government bother when they can just get the added benefit of other nations resources without the extra citizenship draining their budgets, through the CIA overthrowing democratically elected people and installing pro US hand picked puppets as they have been doing for the last 50 years.

It's funny how americans bitch and whine about immigrants but it was the very same immigrants that made america what it is.
Millions of people from all over the world came and brought their ideas with them.

Just google how many scotsmen and women went to america and their ideas shaped the very fabric of america.

America the greatest nation on earth , not made by americans