Those crappy jobs "no one wants to do"...

Those crappy jobs "no one wants to do"...

I recently learned that youre to be attacked if you complain that the wide open borders policy just has to bebhurting black america / inner city minorities...

Of course this all falls back on the core of the pro sides argument: the jobs the illegals are doing are the ones "no one wants to do" as they all say. Well here goes some insights that no ivy league econonist is likely to have a clue about: those crappy jobs are what youngsters are supposed to have as part of their workforce training to prepare them for being useful participants in the big bad world!

The idea of say doing landscaping, or painting, food sevice or misc dirty labor job whatever isnt that theyre there for everyone to make a career out of (although they should be available for those whom screw up their outlook or are in berween their career jobs), theyre supposed to be there to as they say in construction to "put hair on your balls".

They aslo say, typically at the hardest point on the hardest work day (also about dealing with the ornry miserable pricks around you) "it builds character". "Toughening up your skin" is a more specific expression for this part.

"Character" is surely something lacking these days, in particular with these spoiled college kids. Who would disagree theyre the worst of the millennial generation? Not even Bill Maher!!

Therein involves all sorts of things inportant for building work ethic, self worth and so on along with picking up various skills and understandings about things like toola, processes and perhaps most important what youre made of; capable of.

As Tyler Durden said, how much can you know about yourself if youve never been in a fight? This is the same stuff here, and lookie the millennials are out violent in the streets all thw sudden. A coorelation? Seems a safe bet to me, but a "brownshirts" trend not the kind of "progress" JFK would have had in mind.

Theres just so many dynamics to this I fear are going mostly unspoken; drowned out by rhetoric I guess the rationale behind it is we're supposed to save the world but handing what we have away.

I say we need to fix what we've got and inspire; lead by example.

If I'm wrong then answer me this: if Mexico etc sends their workers here to do all jobs crappy jobs then whos gping to do the crappy jobs there? Ok so then they import workers to do thise now what about the crappy jobs where those people come from? And then from there? And then from there. Sounds like a lot of shiaite rolling down hill to me. Where in the end what I see at home is minority america losing out.

When there are more illegals than there are jobless blacks, for example, thats a busted system. While it isnt just about the jobs themselves, its about the role theyre supposed to serve in prexperienplain old workplace experience for those up and coming, and even those just losing out.

Even educated people born for a field just out of school often have a brutal time as entry level getting that first job into their fields to begin their trajectory. Now imagine them having NO job experience and behold that right there just might be the biggest lynchpin of causes of why an entire generation f'd over and out.

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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Landscaping is a great career opportunity for those who work for themselves and employ some helpers. In fact, its probably the easiest self made business to get into in Florida. Buy yourself a truck, a trailer, and about $500 worth of used lawn equipment and your good to go! Upgrade as you make money and get more contracts.

I agree, construction is where high schoolers should go after graduation to help them build some charcter. Although if they really wanted to know what it was to be tough, they should start in roofing. Roofing in a Florida summer, you may actually prefer to volunteer to fight on the front lines instead lol!

There was an article not so long ago, that teenagers were skipping out on basic summer camps roughing it in tents and campfires and going for the air-conditioned dorm rooms with onsite yoga lessons, massage sessions and inner-healing sessions.


Mexico has a labor surplus problem. Once that surplus labor is removed, wages rise, the economy grows and then people start returning. It was the other South American countries who are currently having the mass migration.

Graduates are heading towards the startups as the corporations prefer to higher the H1B's from India and China (they too have ambitions for working for a startup).

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Ah yes. I meant to have a line about the simple rewards of getting some portion of ones life actually working outside. I fear millions out there never do which in terms of human complexity i argue isnt unlike factory chickens whom never see the sun not once.
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

Yeah see I didnt even get around to the self employment angles. As important as anything Id argue.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

No such thing as a "crappy" job..

Watching "Dirty Jobs" showed that those with the most dirty jobs where the most happy

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

High paying jobs are highly motivating. Wages are the biggest problem with labor right now. The purchasing power of the median worker's wage is not very inspiring. We need to return to greed and real inflation instead of all this printing of money.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

After high school I worked for a Vietnam vet in general contracting.
What a prick.
Everything I did he could do twice as much at my age like humping a bundle of shingles up a ladder 2 stories he could do 2 G$# D(#@ bundles of shingles at a time, he could load F%$@*&G trailer with junk aluminum siding faster...the list was endless.
But what I learned allowed me to start and run a property development company, tear out bathrooms-kitchens and make the all mighty buck.

Employers call them "jobs no one wants to do" because they do not want to mind the Econ 101 Bull SH. they spout off with. Lack of workers wages go up, too many workers wages go down. It's a lie, wages are artificially low.

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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Well here goes some insights that no ivy league econonist is likely to have a clue about: those crappy jobs are what youngsters are supposed to have as part of their workforce training to prepare them for being useful participants in the big bad world!

Actually, crappy jobs derailed the hard work ethic for me. During hi school I had several, one as gas station 'attendant'.

Duties included pumping gas, cleaning windshields, checking oil, water and tire pressure for impatient motorists. Hi point everyday was cleaning the diarrhea and puke in two restrooms at the beginning and end of every shift.

After a year and a half of that for the thankless owner, mechanics and arrogant customers, I got 'let go' because they could hire a noob to do that for 25 cents less an hour.

That job doesn't even exist nowadays. All it taught me was to grunt and be subservient.

No thanks.

a reply to: intrptr

Its supposed to motivate you to move beyond.

I guess you should have sat home collecting parents allowance, learning nothing about how the real world actually works.

Imagine parents who wouldnt work because they didnt like starter jobs, so they still wont, and then their kids see them not working so they dont. But theres no allowance to hand down because the only income is government handouts they took from people who do work.

And people wonder why socialism cant work on a broad scale in the long run.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Standing ovation.

I just turned 39 and grew up in a smaller farming community in Central IL. Starting back before I entered high school our area began busing in non citizens to work the corn and bean fields. Thanks to my fathers connections I was one of the few locals left working beside them. It was good to experience both sides.

Anyway, soon after they began filling the other usual jobs as well. I could say a lot more but I will end this quicker and conclusively.

When my class of '97 graduated, and more so for those after, anyone not able or willing to attend college was in a pinch and off to a real bad start. The ones attending college had it bad enough with overall job shortages. Very few of the college grads remained in the area near their families.

The effects weigh on society in many ways.

I also want to add that I worked in fields, factories, and restraunts with these mostly Mexican minorities. They were most always respectful, and all were very good workers who made me a harder worker and probably a better person overall.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Landscaping is a great career opportunity for those who work for themselves and employ some helpers. In fact, its probably the easiest self made business to get into in Florida. Buy yourself a truck, a trailer, and about $500 worth of used lawn equipment and your good to go! Upgrade as you make money and get more contracts.

I agree, construction is where high schoolers should go after graduation to help them build some charcter. Although if they really wanted to know what it was to be tough, they should start in roofing. Roofing in a Florida summer, you may actually prefer to volunteer to fight on the front lines instead lol!

amen! I've roofed houses in Georgia when I was younger. So whenever I hear the softbodies that surround me at my current jobs complain " this is too much work! This sucks! ", I tell them to try roofing a 2 story house in the middle of July in Georgia then come back and tell me how bad this air conditioned, 2 breaks and a lunch hour job indoors sucks.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I don't know about 'crappy' jobs but, I do know that we are covered up in side work at the moment. Bathroom/kitchen remodels, deck building and the like. We have to turn jobs on to other folks because there just aren't enough hours in the day to work my regular job + evenings + weekends. Where I live there is plenty of work to go around but, finding people who will actually do the work honestly and fairly is another story.
I hope I am able to teach my children the value of being self sufficient and, yes, hard work. My day job is my security and my after work jobs are purely for the money.
P.S. Roofers in Florida/Georgia/Alabama...July or any other month those folks are superhuman!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

After being a stay-at-home housewife for 15 years I went back into
the work force.One of those crappy type jobs no one wants.I was
lucky at my age and out dated work history to even get a job.Not
my dream job but it helps pay some bills and put food on our table.

Ahhh, work, that dirty little word for some and a blessing for others. I started work at 16 years old still in Jr,high school. I was the only 9th grader in our school district with a half day schedule. Sort of extorted that out of the school by saying I would quit when I turned 16....I got my job, I got my half day schedule. Been working ever since. There's no such thing as a job no body wants to do. There's unpleasant and there's dirty . Started work full time in 1980, no illegals in construction at that time in my home town, Greensboro, N.C. no immigrants at all. The wave of Iranians in 1979, was about all.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I guess you should have sat home collecting parents allowance, learning nothing about how the real world actually works.

There was no allowance, just chores and promises. The same promises the gas station gave me that were never realized, either. They hired me , promising to give me mechanics time in the bay to learn. I was already taking auto shop, wanted a muscle car and the skills to work on it. This was the beginning of a career as far as I was concerned. The promises on the part of the gas station were all lies.

Like I said they used up my loyalty , spit me out, laughing.

Yah my first lesson how the real world actually works. The same lesson was learned over and over into my adult years from other companies too, including my eventual field, computers.

Three different times. Either moved over seas, Hostile takeover, and lastly, bored owners. I made millions for these greedy SOBs, they just used everyone up and spit them out.

Here, heres some severance, see ya...

Now i work for me, spits back in eye of corporations, whats money anyway? How much do you need to survive?

a reply to: seasonal

You post reminds of me this scene from the meaning of life movie:

a reply to: intrptr

Roger that!

Is why I followed up with Worldstar that gaining some insights to become self employed about as important as anything.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: intrptr

Roger that!

Is why I followed up with Worldstar that gaining some insights to become self employed about as important as anything.

Really hard to do nowadays. Lots of small businesses going bankrupt. Thats part of the plan, imo.

The N world O has everyone eternally indebted and indentured to them.

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There are no jobs that "no one" wants to do, anyway! I knew someone who was struggling to find decent employment, and was even willing to day labor. He found out quickly that wouldn't happen, because illegals were taking all of the jobs there, so he could not get even that work. Legal citizen, since birth, and they took the jobs.