Calls To Imprison "Climate Change Deniers" Grow In The Wake Of Hurricane Irma

a reply to: Phage

Let me rephrase. Why do you believe what the "experts" say?

a reply to: ADSE255
You mean the experts that you disagree with?

Because I have made the effort to understand what they are saying rather than paying a lot of attention to what the media say about it. Perhaps because I have some understanding of the science involved. I understand what radiative forcing is, for example. It's not that hard, but it does take a bit of mental effort.

a reply to: Phage

The problem as I see it, is that nobody "denies" that climate changes. What is in question is the reason for it and the mantra that climate change is driven by mankind, to the exclusion of all other possible contributary factors, some of which do not even factor into their dodgy computer models because they don't have any accurate data. That is NOT science!

a reply to: Britguy

The problem as I see it, is that nobody "denies" that climate changes.

There are quite a few who deny that it is currently changing. "The numbers are fake! They are manipulating the data!" That contributes a lot, doesn't it?

to the exclusion of all other possible contributary factors

For example?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ADSE255
You mean the experts that you disagree with?

Because I have made the effort to understand what they are saying rather than paying a lot of attention to what the media say about it. Perhaps because I have some understanding of the science involved. I understand what radiative forcing is, for example. It's not that hard, but it does take a bit of mental effort.

On the contrary. I watch.

Have you really tried to understand? I don't see much of that right now. We can't all be right, where's the reasoning. Or should we continue on this deadened path?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ADSE255

You weren't paying attention. I don't believe everything I read.

For example. I don't believe that solar activity has a significant effect on earthquakes. And I read that a lot. Often right here on ATS.

Why not? About as much evidence for that can be gathered as every failed global warming model.

In other words, you DO pick and choose your doom porn.

a reply to: ADSE255

On the contrary. I watch.

You watch? What do you watch? Youtube?

Have you really tried to understand?

Yes.

We can't all be right,

Correct.

a reply to: Phage

forehead sore yet .

a reply to: ParasuvO

About as much evidence for that can be gathered as every failed global warming model.

Failed? Some are better than others, but "failed?"
www.futurity.org...
www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk...
www.realclimate.org...

a reply to: Phage

Why would I watch YouTube Phage?

a reply to: infolurker

A call to imprison climate change deniers financial supporters would be light, they should be shot down. Common people denying that we humans are destroying this planet is just plain ignorance.

a reply to: infolurker

It's funny, during the landfall of Harvey, there was a clip of the guy from the Hurricane center explaining that the hurricane has nothing to do with climate change, they happen naturally. But now, when you look, all the articles say that "Climate change" made them worse. Which can't be proven, so it's the going story.

Information is filtered to ensure you tow the line.

OBEY

a reply to: network dude

Information is filtered to ensure you tow the line.

I'm sure you know the vid "the story of your enslavement", the scene where they explain why those on the payroll of the government will not only speak out but attack those that threaten their way of life is quite telling and right on the money. The ride is going to get wild.....

Calls to Imprison "Climate Change Deniers" Grow In the Wake of Hurricane Irma

The STUPID is getting deep in this country. The prisons are already bulging at the seams and seething. Now these numbnuts want to incarcerate people for having an opinion.

Time for me to check out of this lunatic asylum.

a reply to: infolurker

Typical zerohedge hatchet job. Quote the response to the blog without providing a link to the original. Confusing rhetoric with a policy suggestion. Exaggeration and distortion. Introducing lightning rod figures like Al Gore who have nothing to do with the blog post. The irony, of course, is that right out of then gate one of the comments suggested that "AGW believers" be imprisoned.

Zerohedge is a leading purveyor of Kremlin propaganda. Remember, global warming is good for countries in high latitudes... Like Russia.

a reply to: network dude

They happen naturally and climate change is making them worse is not a contradictory statement.

a reply to: Kali74

Yes, the tobacco company had actual research that proved what they lied about and someone was able to prove that.

With the MMGW flap things are not that cut and dried. No one yet has any research that definitively proves what if anything is actually happening to the climate or what if anything is actually causing it.

So to accuse a company of simply not believing in your climate dogma is not the same thing as what the tobacco companies did. For me to believe this, you are going to have to convince me that somehow the oil companies have done something that none of the rest of the world's scientists have done - produce incontrovertible proof of MMGW that they are sitting on. I do suppose this is a conspiracy forum, but, of course, everyone dismisses everything else scientists who dirty their hands with the taint of private sector work have done so I fail to see why this one tidbit would suddenly be legit beyond anything else they do.

That was my point.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: network dude

They happen naturally and climate change is making them worse is not a contradictory statement.

Oooo, hurricanes so bad we actually haven't had any since Wilma, more than 10 years.

Hurricanes so bad that neither Harvey nor Irma beat any of the recorded worst for the region by any measure except maybe in their impact on people, but that has more to do with the sheer number of people in modern times who move to hurricane prone areas and less to do with the actual severity of the storms themselves.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: network dude

They happen naturally and climate change is making them worse is not a contradictory statement.

Except that isn't what was said by the guy who is the head of the National Hurricane Center. He said we have had hurricanes and will have them regardless of climate change. Which kind of follows history, since we had really bad hurricanes back in the 1800's and dare I say, before that. And having just gone through the longest time frame WITHOUT a major hurricane in recorded history, it sort of solidifies that comment. at least for me. It goes along with the difference between weather and climate. And none of that hurts the climate change theory. You can still believe in it, without attributing every disaster to it, when disasters happened without it.

a reply to: network dude

That's right.

I can look out my window at 2 ft. of snow and record cold and it's just weather because it doesn't fit the MMGW paradigm, but they can see a hurricane that looks really bad and causes misery and it is MMGW, not weather, because it does fit the paradigm.

Pretty neat how that works out for them, isn't it?