Chapter Numbers and Verses are Inspired of the LORD.

This has been a debated question for many centuries. The error is not searching the scriptures or study and divide the word of truth.

First Judas the betrayer of our Lord was one who was never clean, so when Jesus washed their feet in John 13, the only one who remained dirty was Judas.

There are to many coincidences to be mere coincidence. The number of rebellion in the Bible is 13. The Rebellion of the US against the British included 13 states. Genesis 13:13 tells us that Sodom were the wicked sinners before the LORD Exceedingly. IN Duet 13:13 we see an example given Israel as to determining who among them have spiritually rebelled against God. In Number 13:13 we see Israel did not do as the Lord commanded nor did they seek God for their decision to let the Geshurites live when they lied to Joshua. Israel rebelled against the commandment of God in driving out the in inhabitants of the land. 1 Sam 13:13 Saul rebelled against the word of God and his prophet and looses the kingdom that day.

Well lets get back to the main text John 13. I would have thee know that Judas Iscariot has 13 letters in it, He was the thirteenth of a group that included Jesus Christ gathered in that upper room that night. Judas was the only disciple that consistently called Jesus, Master. John 13:13 had 13 words in it, if you leave out the Italicized word "so" added by the translators of the preserved word of God for clarity in English( the only Bible to do so when adding words to it). Those thirteen words add up to 39 which is 3X13.

Judas is known as the son of perdition which is a title of the Anti-christ, and the Anti-Christ shows up in Revelation chapter 13 and in Rev 13:18 and his number is 666. 18 being 6+6+6, Friday being the sixth day of the week can answer why so many people fear Friday the 13th.

Now while many scholars would have you believe that the chapter and verses numbers added to the Preserved Words of God were not inspired by God, however there are just to many example of this type of thing in the Preserved Bible to be mere coincidence.

For Example Five is the number of death, the natural age related death is seen in Gen 5:5 of Adam, and the first death of a church member is recorded in Act 5:5 for lying to the Holy Ghost. Death has five letters, Satan has five letters who is also known as the death angel, Earth has five letters where men's bodies are laid after death and where death takes place on a daily basis.

Also Three (3-6-9-120, Seven(7-14-21), Nine (9-18-27) and Twelve (12-24-48) all have so many occurrences of things that take place in accordance to their number, that it is beyond the threshold of our comprehension, except to accept the fact, that God inspired the chapter and verse numbering of the Preserved text.

MHObservation of the word of Truth

a reply to: ChesterJohn

For Example Five is the number of death, the first death is seen in Gen 5:5 of Adam

The death of Abel is Gen 4:8.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

So counting the syllables of the ancient Hebrew and Greek heptameter is numerology, but the chapter and verse numbers of the AV are divinely inspired? Please, tell us more.

a reply to: Regnor

Yes, my bad I restated it it is the first natural related death.

So the first unnatural death is Abel.

Five and the other number truths do not always happen.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Isnt the entire bible a contrived man made control mechanism?

Im sure of it.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

I am not talking about Hebrew. We are speaking about English preserved word of God for this Generation.

Please understand that no complete Hebrew/Chaldean Old Testament has existed since it was originally inspired and even then only portions at certain times. Not one complete OT existed at any one time. By the time some portions were inspired the previous revelations were already copies.

No I am talking about just simple numbers of certain names, and situations not numbering the Bible to find hidden meanings or anything like that.

Just that some numbers up until 13 mainly, then those numbers 1 through 13 in multiples show a connecting pattern of truth that are embodied in the plain English. Nothing hidden just a clear representation of the truth as written.

a reply to: Urantia1111

No that is what ungodly men would like you to believe in order not to be held accountable to the God that made us all.

a reply to: ChesterJohn


Don't forget that the AV was trasnlated from the very manuscripts that you consistently ignore, and the heptameter has nothing to do with hidden messages. Its all about establishing the theme of the passage. You're trying to do the exact same thing with translated text. Its not consistent like the heptameter is.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Urantia1111

No that is what ungodly men would like you to believe in order not to be held accountable to the God that made us all.

No that doesnt sound accurate.

Carry on anyway.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
No that is what ungodly men would like you to believe in order not to be held accountable to the God that made us all.

So you need to believe in the Bible to believe in God?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No, But his words are of importance if we are going to know him and become what he intended us to be.

The numbers however are not there to mark points of hidden meaning, but to show us the truths already in the text.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
No, But his words are of importance if we are going to know him and become what he intended us to be.

So I need a book written by men to understand God?

a reply to: Urantia1111

Ok, Then Who gave you the first idea that the Bible was "a contrived man made control mechanism?"

I have heard this before and it wasn't from you. So therefore I know that this Idea is not your own but that of another.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

This book is not written by men just penned by them by the power of God and his word to preserve his words to every generation. And in doing so even the very chapter and verse numbering system he integrated into it along with the supernatural cross references of the words, figures of speech, sections, verses,and phrases. And that also would include the built in Dictionary of any word in it that defines itself by the very context the word is used.

IN short the very words of the Bible in what I have described no man could create, only an all knowing and powerful God could preserve his words to our generation in English. What we see is a fascinating if not miraculous conclusion that God himself is not only the LORD but the Word, the living God who gives us all wisdom and knowledge of Christ to which all men should aspire.

In short this book, the preserved word of God in English as found in the AV is the book you need not only for true wisdom and knowledge but for true life itself.

Do not be Biblophobic, to fear it is to limit yourself tot he minds of men rather than the mind of Christ

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Oh not true, this book is not written by men...

Yeah, no.

There is zero evidence it was written by anyone other than men.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

the actual written/penned part is true but the context is that of inspiration to holy men of God who moved their pens to preserve his word to this generation.

However let's not drift to far off the OP which is about how even number of chapter and verses show truth of the very words God preserve Psalm 12:6, 7.

HIGH level masons believe there are many ways to heaven. But the Bible says the only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

This book is not written by men just penned by them...

So it wasn't written by men, it was written by men?

Thanks for the laugh.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
the actual written/penned part is true but the context is that of inspiration to holy men of God who moved their pens to preserve his word to this generation.

However let's not drift to far off the OP which is about how even number of chapter and verses show truth of the very words God preserve Psalm 12:6, 7

It is highly relevant since you claim God wrote something that men wrote, and it did not occur by proxy either.

Please everyone, if you are not interested in the Subject of the OP I suggest you go elsewhere. Rabbit trials and hijacking threads are prohibitive via the T&C of ATS.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Consider that some of you believe in auto-writing or spirit led writing of the paranormal, yet never once considered that God was the first to do so and the devils are still mimicking it today.

I suggest we get back to the Subject of the OP, Check out the verse quoted in the OP.

If you are not interested in the OP subject of numbers being used to reveal the truth in the written text, then go elsewhere