Miami shelters homeless against their will as Irma closes in

a reply to: Aeshma

FEMA is turning the homeless into hamburger meat for mcdonalds.

At least they won't have to worry about food shortages

originally posted by: chadderson
a reply to: TerryDon79

I believe in freedom. If someone wants to kill themselves it is hard to say whether I would use my freedom to stop them.

@the Bakers act: Invoking the “Baker Act” — a law that enables authorities to institutionalize patients who present a danger to themselves or others.

What if they endangered others unintentionally due to limited mentally capacity?

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

I don't think you even need to postulate that far.

Anyone who is willing to stay on the street, abandoned building, under a bridge or whatnot during a hurricane, are a danger to themselves and bakers covers that.

a reply to: TerryDon79
True

a reply to: SeaWorthy

We have the freedom to not be 'dead body haulers'... so their angst towards the deceased for having to lug them around is misplaced IMO.

a reply to: TerryDon79

There is not a competition between the two, they are equal.

Medical personnel had the freedom to be medical personnel.

a reply to: chadderson

A man should be able to make decisions such as these, life and death included.

I agree but when I have to pay or physically clean up your dead body, well in that case I am going to exercise my free will and stop your dead body from being a future problem.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Many think that way. This only shifts the 'problem' from you to the one that you are now going to have to force your will upon. Not all will submit to the will of another man either.

Without law, 'power' rules the land. We will find ourselves back in a primitive landscape.

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: Black_Fox

Conspiracy! FEMA is turning the homeless into hamburger meat for mcdonalds.

Im kidding...

They should say thank you.

There is a rumor going around that the shelters are in fact killing homeless people. Nonsense I say.

But just you watch. After this storm someone is going to say that they see less homeless. Where did all the homeless go? The government killed the ones they baker acted that's where. --Mark my words.

a reply to: chadderson

This only shifts the 'problem' from you to the one that you are now going to have to force your will upon

The issue of clean up of a body is the problem of the occupant of said body.

a reply to: chadderson

So just let them die?

Who are going to inform their families?
Who are going to clean up the mess?

If everything thought like you, nothing would ever get done because "freedom".

a reply to: TerryDon79

Yes.
The same families that let their member live on the streets?
Those who are employed to will clean up the mess.

No, things would still get done. Not only that, after only the first hurricane there would be no more 'homeless cleanups'.

a reply to: chadderson

The same families that let their member live on the streets?

So the families should have forced them not to? What happened to you saying they had freedom to do things?

Those who are employed to will clean up the mess.

So tax money should go to clean up dead people instead of trying to save them?

No, things would still get done. Not only that, after only one hurricane there would be no more 'homeless cleanups'.

So let them die to save money and resources?

No wonder the worlds screwed up if people think like you.

a reply to: TerryDon79

You are beginning to argue in circles. Do you have anything left in the tank?

Yeah, you only have to clean them up once rather than paying for many mistakes.

They are OFFERED shelter, if they deny it let them deny it. Stop denying freedom.

a reply to: chadderson

You're the one arguing in circles.

First the homeless should have a choice. Now families shouldn't let them be homeless.

But screw people, right?

a reply to: TerryDon79

You're out of gas.

I must admit to being curious as to what will become of all the new homeless throughout the country.

Texas, FLorida, etc....

I wonder what new things they will have to follow.

Cause there are going to be new homeless after all this.

And the baker act is often abused to have people committed, much like how the cops can slap disorderly conduct on anyone, just to put them in jail.

Be careful what "firsts" are set, cause you know they will be applied to other in situations.

a reply to: chadderson

So you've got nothing to reply with about your contradictions?

You really can't have it both ways. If the homeless should have freedom of choice to live or die, the families can't be held responsible fo their choices or take away their choice to live on the streets.

originally posted by: chadderson
a reply to: 4003fireglo

Not all homeless are "retarded".

I didn't say they were. Gah.

a reply to: Black_Fox

But the act isn't about being homeless. It's about being a danger to yourself or others.