Official TR3-B Patents - proof of anti-grav & wormhole hyperspace travel

a reply to: yuppa

I can understand how being able to cancel out mass would be rather helpful regarding FTL propulsion given that as we approach the speed of light our mass increases exponentially so until it would be infinite. But how does negative mass circumvent the relativistic time dilation problems associated with faster than light travel?

Are you talking about some kind of functional Albecurrie drive method of travel? That could indeed circumvent the problems associated relativistically speaking but requires negative matter that as of yet science does not know how to produce, harvest or create.

Another issue with these breakaway civilisations, how come we are not picking up or intercepting there communications, or do they employ some form of communications medium we are as of yet unaware of?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
There are programs that have been in operation for 30 years, that don't have a single leak about them, but suddenly they can't keep what is allegedly one of their most top secret programs secret for five minutes?

They have secret programs that have been going on for over 3 decades that not a single leak has come out about??

Wow! Thanks for the leak Zaph!

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

I, myself, and others have witnessed it.

This could be thing I witnessed too years ago ...
That's what CNN seems to suggest.

Interestingly, you know hte military tested nuclear engines for some years but then stopped. Here:
en.wikipedia.org - Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion...

Abandonment

After numerous problems the project was shut down in March 1953 only to be re-opened a year later. Technological competition with the Soviet Union (as represented by the launch of Sputnik 1), and continued strong support from the Air Force allowed the program to continue, despite divided leadership between the DOD and the AEC. The election of John F. Kennedy as President changed the course. Kennedy wrote "15 years and about $1 billion have been devoted to the attempted development of a nuclear-powered aircraft; but the possibility of achieving a militarily useful aircraft in the foreseeable future is still very remote" in his statement officially ending the ANP on March 26, 1961.

I don't think there's anything to it. Just historical trivia.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Right, because no one knows they're running programs we don't know about and have been for years.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: muzzleflash

Right, because no one knows they're running programs we don't know about and have been for years.

Omg lol.

You're gonna be in so much trouble!
Quick, delete your posts!!

a reply to: jonnywhite

The shielding alone for a reactor made it so unwieldy that it wasn't feasible. It reduced the usable payload so much that it far outweighed any possible benefit. That, and the total disaster if and when one crashed. Having an aircraft that could fly more or less forever would have huge advantages, the risk wasn't worth it.

a reply to: Zaphod58

If I recall correctly Stanton Friedman said the same thing about risk outweighing the benefits (in regards to nuclear rocketry), and he's actually an 'expert' on that exact topic.

Friedman was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist for such companies as General Electric (1956–1959), Aerojet General Nucleonics (1959–1963), General Motors (1963–1966), Westinghouse (1966–1968), TRW Systems (1969–1970), and McDonnell Douglas, where he worked on advanced, classified programs on nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and compact nuclear power plants for space applications.[2] Since the 1980s, he has done related consultant work in the radon-detection industry. Friedman's professional affiliations have included the American Nuclear Society, the American Physical Society, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and AFTRA.

But we are talking about nuclear fission though. I don't know what types of advances have been made in fusion technology behind the scenes over the last 50 years though.

Fusion engines could actually be one of those 'many' never-leaked-yet programs you are referring to (and you probably don't even know anything about a program like that because like me, you have no need-to-know).

a reply to: muzzleflash

When it comes to nuclear power, fission or fusion, making it go airborne is an incredible risk. The safest aircraft and rocket ever built still have accidents, and an accident with nuclear power in an airborne platform would be ugly as hell. The safest way to put one in a spacecraft would be to build said spacecraft in orbit, where the risk of accident affecting the ground would be essentially zero.

a reply to: andy06shake

I said FAST AS LIGHT not FASTER than light.

And The Breakaways are in contact with our government because they have a working relationship seeing as how they are humans too. Maybe time dilation only occurs if you travel through normal space time or without a field bending ti around your craft?

a reply to: Zaphod58

I say rangyang in a jar lined with quantum solar cells. If it shuts off. No biggie nothing happens. If it crashes no biggie nothing happens. Cant run out of control either. Dont like what its doing simply unplug it and shut it off.

Safe small efficient vastly powerfull. Could probably run it off of batteries too.

Want to do something fun. Do what i did years ago. Put those patents in front of a physicist and time how long it takes for him to debunk it.

The patent department has a totally seperate secluded section for classified technology patents. Youll never ever find patents for a "tr3b" with out working at the patent office in that specific department for classified stuff and with 19 billion clearances pertaining. Or if you somehow were an engineer who has a really damned good reason to see them and who also has 19 billion clearances up the wazoo.

Besides none of those patents accurately describe how those craft work. Its totally different.

a reply to: yuppa

Yes it's great science fiction buddy and possible tomorrows reality, somewhere down the line.

But until the kind of technologies you speculate we have are actually researched and developed the reality is that science fiction is all it is.

Possibly worth considering that our current understanding of mathematics/physics, and lack of understanding regarding how gravity functions, and/or relates to the electromagnetism, or the strong or weak nuclear force, pretty much precludes us from creating such devices or means of propulsion.

Then there is the material constraints to consider. Have you and idea how much heat and stress would be generated on the leading edges, never mind the rest of the fuselage of any vehicle travelling at such hyper-sonic speeds within our atmosphere?

Or the the g forces that would be exerted on the poor occupant/pilots of any such vehicle that managed to reach such velocities or manoeuvred in any kind of tactical manner? Take it these alleged breakaway civs have some kind of inertial dampeners?

It's lovely fiction and i kind of wish it was true but alas i just don't see it to be the case.

a reply to: andy06shake

Ah but we have created such wonderful devices.

Some folks in the MIC have figured out how gravity works. No need for heat resistant surfaces. None is present. They dont come in contact with air that has any mass or ability to cause friction. No g forces either. Everything inside the craft has next to no g forces besides its rest mass. Inertial massis dialed way down.
The value for C is greatly altered though. Ever thought of converting your electric charge into gauge bosons? Interesting things can happen. Ever thought to make the vacuum your bitch? The govt has.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

If we have indeed managed ether mass cancellation/anti gravity/inertial cancellation via gauge bosons generation or even magnetohydrodynamic propulsion of some form the question begs why hide it?

Or if we are using such technologies to colonise our own system and possible other far off places why do we fail to detect any communications from these craft or alleged breakaways?

a reply to: andy06shake

I never said anything about colonization or break aways.

But if you have the tech a lot more doors open up to you than just gravity mass manipulation. Id hide that ace too.

Alas in some places they dont hide it. You can see them train with these vehicles all the time. Theyre rather brazen about it. And theyve found a way to make these vehicles much cheaper to produce. So expect folks to see more in the future.

As for communications. The military already has uninterceptable comms.

And the inertial mass cancellation its not that youre making gauge bosons its what you do with it. Still gotta alter the vacuums metrics though and its not through the guage bosons. That trick just gets you to eliminate inertial mass. You wanna play with the vacuum too to alter C.

You wouldnt be so skeptical (although i understand) if you saw these marvelous vehicles do their thing. I remember my first time and how it forced me to radically re think humanity's cleaverness and just how far along we are and just how deep a secret can be kept.

If you dont think the govt cant keep a secret...boy youre wrong!

a reply to: Zaphod58

Just a small question - as ATS #1 aviation specialist - weren't you surprised by the announcment made a few years ago that Lockheed developped a breakthrough device on nuclear fusion ?

Lockheed says makes breakthrough on Fusion Energy project

I mean, it may sound OK if some other gov military contractor like GE, Honeywell or Raytheon did a similar announcment but ... Lockheed ?

a reply to: moebius
To be compelled is purely subjective so sorry if my tastes do not match yours.

My attention was certainly grabbed by the subject matter and abstracts of every patent/invention on the link I posted to which you replied.

For example the 'Stick Pin Fastener' is a great little piece of simple precision engineering. The depth of description for such a small and simple device is also fascinating to me.

The invention consists in the provision of a spring clamp constructed of a single strip of metal bent to the proper form and having alined openings to receive the stick pin, the metal being bent on itself where it engages the pin and so constructed that the two portions of the part bent on itself tend to engage the two sides of the stick pin diametrically opposite to each other with sufficient force to prevent the accidental displacement of the clamps.

I hope that meets your expectations.

To answer your final question, no I have no idea what the difference between an application and grant is, I assume it is self explanatory but I will find out for myself, I wasn't born with that innate knowledge.

Great approach by the way, fancy a pint??

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

No. I had heard prior to that announcement they were working on it. I was also told that they timed the announcement specifically as well.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Lockheeds good at that sort of PR. They like to send tacit messages.

Thought it came out a lot bigger than what they expected BASS...