White House OPIOID Commission Wants President Trump to Declare a NATIONAL EMERGENCY!.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
And it leads to the acceptance of overly aggressive methods that have no proven impact on correcting the problem.

It just gives the government more power and control over us.

Just look at what happened with 911. More surveillance and control over the American citizens with little impact on the terrorist. In fact I think they have to be laughing at us standing in long cues with our shoes in hand, waiting to be irradiated and groped before being allowed to enter the areas where we have to wait two hours before being allowed on-board a plane.

Dear God, I hate to think of the Orwellian methods they will come up with for something that affects so many more of us. Many can refuse to fly, but nearly 100% of us will experience pain severe enough to need medication in our lifetime. This should be a terrifying thought for all or us to consider.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Exactly. The War on Drugs is already a nightmare. Making it worse by criminalizing people with pain problems just trying to cope is actually a step worse than what we already do of criminalizing people with diseases.

a reply to: carewemust



In 2001 Afghanistan produced 7% of the world's opium. This is when 'The Taliban™' was in-charge. Then "The War" began and Afghanistan now produces 90%+ Why did the U.S. invade Afghanistan again?

If Your personal retirement portfolio showed the same growth You could be drinking umbrella drinks AND/OR become a politician.

It is a $$$ Grab. What has grown with this phenomenon? First the U.S. had an opioid epidemic and when those folks were "cut off" they had to buy their junk on the street or tun to the cheaper, more readily available drug 'Heroin' both made from opium.

"Private Prisons" was the answer...

How do I know? I am a C.P. (Chronic Pain) sufferer who got injured fighting 'The War on Drugs' in a Ca. police dep't. When I started out it was 'The Crack War' (another $$$ grab)
I've been on the same dose of Norco™/Fentanyl™ for 13 years now..

I agree with FissionSurplus in the first page of the thread. It's not right that folks who take their meds correctly get thrown under the bus along with those who abuse their meds.

I have spent the last two years of my life in the most hellish pain...had to give up all of my hobbies, from playing my guitar (due to hand pain and swelling) to gardening. There have been times I have just laid in bed writhing, quite literally,writhing in my bed from the pain. I have missed so much work during this time, that I'm honestly surprised I still have a job.

About a month ago, when it got so bad that I couldn't sit down for more than ten minutes at a time and I was walking all bent over and couldn't straighten up because of the intense pain, my doctor gave me a prescription for pain medicine. Then last week, I finally got into the specialist, who diagnosed me with ankylosing spondylitis and mixed connective tissue disease (with a possible future upgrade to Lupus). Three of the vertebrae in my middle back have already fused together; eventually, my entire spine will fuse together, becoming a "bamboo spine."

So, I've been taking this pain med for about a month now. I guess it must not be a strong one, as I get none of this euphoria that I hear so much about. It just decreases my pain to a tolerable level so that I can get to work, take care of my home and care for my family. It does not take all of my pain away, but it does make it doable. Hopefully, the medicines that the specialist prescribed will eventually calm down my situation and I will be, maybe not pain-free, but hopefully I will be able to cope with just OTC pain relief. But until then? I'm afraid if I had to go back to how I was was just two months ago, I would become an invalid. I don't want to be disabled. I want to keep working, and I'd like to be able to play again, too. I want my life back! I'm only 39 years old.

So what are people with chronic pain supposed to do? I think that perhaps they could maybe make a list of certain painful conditions, and then allow doctors to still prescribe for patients with conditions on the list. And I mean those patients should have to have a bonafide diagnosis from a legit doctor - not just walk in and say "I have chronic back pain, Doc."

There must be some way to sort out the folks who really need the meds and don't abuse them from the folks who are just looking to get high, ya know?

The global cartels opiate pharma free ride is over.....no more graft....this is an MSM propoganda support for TPTB....multiple Countries....where are they squirreling the opiates away to ??? There is a concerted artificial movement to restrict severely over a massive demographic the dispensing of opiate drugs which are a critical drug.Who and why to the stockpiling?

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist
It is very bad, there is no doubt about it. However, declaring a state of emergency? What exactly will that entail? Right now I am at a loss how to handle the situation. Doctors and pain clinics are giving strong pain meds out like candy, and heroin it is still illegal, and the police forces are hyper vigilant on the issue.

I mean, we still have a war on drugs no? What, now they want a super duper war on drugs?

I live in Bradenton FL, which is a tiny place, but ranks as the number 1 overdose city in the country. My wife just had brain surgery, and the room she was in had a woman next to her who had broke a needle in her own neck, and it took 6 Narcam pens to wake her this time. This was her 27th hospital stay for overdose.

The solution to the problem is to END the war on drugs, as obviously the war has accelerated the problem to epidemic proportions -- it's time to back peddle and stop treating those with addiction diseases as criminals and start treating them as medical disease. This is what Norway does and it works great over there.

The war on drugs is 100% responsible for the continued abuse. It doesn't help that we have morons in house like Jeff Sessions as AG who keeps comparing marijuana to opiods and wants to increase asset forfeiture and have harsher penalties for something that literally has 0 consequence. Sessions wants to ramp up the drug war and that's moronic because as we've seen, prohibition is directly associated with the black market pharmaceutical industry, i.e. gangs and violence. Prohibition creates more crime as well as more addicts, and doesn't provide a system to help manage addiction disease -- it created criminals out of addicts, and empowers those that push the drugs in the black market, which creates more violent crime as a result.

The harder you push criminally, the more crime they make. This is a mental health issue, not a criminal issue, and to think that those with mental health problems are being treated as criminals is going to stop it from happening is naive, plain and simple.

P.S.

The epidemic is largely become known because of how much carfentanil in being cut with these drugs. Now mind you; Fentanil is so powerful that even in tiny doses it can kill you, so that's bad for business, right? A drug dealer doesn't want to kill his clients, so who is supplying all the fentanil? This is absolutely state sponsored, as has it always been. The CIA used to run coke into Miami and California, we know this because they got caught countless times running it as well as have been exposed by the DEA with highprofile take downs of people like Freeway Ricky Ross, who was pardoned by the president after it was exposed that he was forced to do it by the CIA.

The government ran drugs to inner city urban centers to foster a negative environment to create criminals for the for profit prison industry -- in other words, the ghettos are created by design for profit motive, and now they are trying to kill the users for political incentive to create harsher laws and restrict freedoms, which will in turn create an even bigger prison populace, which will in turn create a bigger profit margin.

Drugs are only illegal because the government makes so much money off the black market and the private for profit prison industrial complex. They do in fact make more money than if they sold it legally, especially since they double and triple dip by creating violent crime as well as repeat offenders, so you have gangsters as well as addicts landing themselves in jail time and time again. All the while endangering the rest of the civilian populace. This isn't a conspiracy theory; it's fact and has been proven countless times through court proceedings.

And people still think the government cares about YOU and couldn't do something like cultivate domestic terrorists to provide a narrative to force a bill through that restricts your freedom to protect you from something that doesn't actually exist on it's own without them cultivating it in the first place.

The war on drugs is a joke, especially considering that most people who become addicted to opiates become addicted from legal prescriptions. 95% of all opiate users are using them legally to begin with and turn to the black market because A.) it's cheaper or B.) they got cut off. The black market only exists because of prohibition, and because the black market exists creates a cheaper source of the same product, which is also by design. They use the legal prescriptions to hook people on it and then force them into the black market to suddenly make them a criminal. There literally is no other alternate narrative.

a reply to: DustbowlDebutante
From my experience, people that have genuine pain, don't get the feeling of euphoria that people without pain get when taking narcotics.

At least not in doses that make the pain tolerable, without attempting to eradicate the pain completely. When narcotics are taken in doses that seem to eradicate the pain, the medications either causes nausea and vomiting, or sedates one to the point of sleep. Neither effect is desirable for most.

No narcotic will ever be the optimal solution for pain, even chronic pain. Correcting the origin of the pain is the only true solution. Unfortunately, the majority of people with chronic pain have chronic pain because there is no cure for the condition causing the pain.

As far as the government coming up with a list of conditions that will allow the prescription of narcotics for those suffering, seems like a solution that may be considered by a government that gives a damn. The only thing ours cares about is staying in office, controlling the American people, and money.

What better way to keep their hand up our backs like the good puppeteers they are. How else can they make sure we sing for our supper and dance for our meds?

isn't it the government that's allowing all that Afgan heroine to flood the market?
Shut down production in a country we have a military presence in . I'm sure we have
some agent orange leftovers laying around somewhere

Addition: I stand behind what I typed earlier and would add...

BigPHarma™ will NOT ban anything until they've made their BILLION$$$ on both the opiates AND the new branch

"Opioid Induced Constipation" or 'OIC' ..

Opiods and heroin are a huge problem in the North East. I'm from NH originally and pills and heroin have been problems for years; one of the reasons we moved out of NE. I don't think we're at a state of emergency level, but it's certainly a mess back home.

I used to work in a pharmacy down the road from one of the local hospitals, 24 business, and many, many times at night I recall people coming in, looking for syringes. Or for pills, people would literally hurt the hell out of themselves on purpose, get a prescription, which they would sell for other things.

Our Facebook feeds are filled with overdose deaths from back home. The siblings of two people I grew up with died last month and numerous others on my wife's Facebook. My buddy was the first on scene after a car accident a couple years ago, girl was ejected, was overdosing and still had the needle in her arm, died. Pretty sure I saw a sign saying to not give change to the beggars over on queen city as they'd probably be using it to buy heroin.

People get hurt, they get the pain pills and it turns out to be expensive, then they are out of work longer, lose insurance, find out there is a black market, then get themselves hooked up with all sorts of junk cut with fentanyl and carfentanyl and just die. Shame.

I just finished another seminar on Opiods. This class focused on Fentalogs.

I am beginning to believe that the only solution to this problem is decriminalization and regulation.

I know that this is playing right into the government's hands, and it is what they want anyway, full control, but it is too late to stop this train.

Many may have awakened, but too few of us got out of bed. Now if you play, the only options we are left with is to either pay or pray.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

President Trump is holding special meetings this week with top Admin officials to tackle this "Tremendous Opioid Problem, where nobody is safe from the epidemic".

www.foxnews.com...

This 'epidemic' coincides with the removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Some of the 'good guys' are making a fortune from it and for that reason it isn't going to stop.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

President Trump is holding special meetings this week with top Admin officials to tackle this "Tremendous Opioid Problem, where nobody is safe from the epidemic".

www.foxnews.com...

No "Emergency Declaration" from the President. But much stronger enforcement of existing laws is forthcoming, according to HHS Secretary, Tom Price..

We believe that, as this point, that the resources that we need, or the focus that we need to bring to bear to the opioid crisis at this point can be addressed without the declaration of an emergency, although all things are on the table for the president,” Price said at a news conference in Bedminster, N.J., where the president is vacationing at his golf club and received a briefing on the issue earlier in the day.

Source: www.thedailybeast.com...

President Trump just declared it a National Emergency. Frankly, I don't think there addicting. Heck, I will just get a bottle of Jägermeister if I don't get my prescription next week. lol

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