White House OPIOID Commission Wants President Trump to Declare a NATIONAL EMERGENCY!.

a reply to: FissionSurplus

I'm completely with you on both of your posts, especially something doesn't add up, or there is another agenda here.

a reply to: carewemust As someome who is in big pharma I can assure you this is a VERY big problem. Much worse that street drugs I promise. Though the blame does not solely ly with big pharma doctors are also part of the problem. I wish I knew a solution but I do not. Just imagina your kid going to practice and pooling with another parent. Well that person may be seeing a pain management doctor for a car wreck a few years or even weeks back. That doctor may prescribe a certain pain pill. Well because it is a precribed medication the parent may think that all is good amd go about their daily lives. All along whilst being high. I myself will mever allow myself to be any kind of presceibed medication. I have my wine and I am good.

originally posted by: TDawg61
Most of these deaths are related to Heroin cut with Fentanyl.Definitly not prescribed.

It is worse than fenatyl. It's carfentanil.....a freaking large animal tranquilizer, as in elephants, and such. It is lethal to humans in microgram doses. Cops that breath in to much powder in the air during busts where there is powder laying around have had to be narcan'd due to almost overdosing.

Opiod epidemic is right, it is an epidemic.

One that is largely ignored, mainly because it's "legal," drugs that are killing people in swaths.

I mean, I don't see 100 people eat the dirt daily from cannabis.... yet we still see the doom and gloom propaganda campaign against cannabis.

Makes one think.

a reply to: carewemust Most are legal addictions but not recorded. Mostly because they are ongoing.

I also wanted to add that, you could give an addict the world 3 times over, but if he isnt ready himself to quit, then they will keep on doing it.

That is what would make any kind of successful treatment extremely difficult.

originally posted by: Willtell
I personally think we should dedicate more money to the problem for people who need counseling to kick the habit.

I dare say Chris Christie is good on this issue.

I read somewhere that Chris Christie had a family member who overdosed and died.

Would there be a problem with regulating physician prescriptions? Apparently, they're writing them like crazy and earning $$$ kickbacks from drug companies on every prescription and refill. A little cash cow for doctors. I thought they CARED for the well-being of people.

a reply to: carewemust
Sorry about the loss of your father, and yes fentanyl was more than likely the medicine he was on, as fentanyl patches are due to be changed every 3 days, but usually last 2, and it's very important not to get the patches hot from the shower hot tub ect as it could lead to OD. Don't know if the heat part jogged your memory.And yes getting it on yourself with no tolerance would have effects on you.

Once again, my condolences

originally posted by: MOMof3
These are the same states that voted Trump and republicans to repeal Obamacare. Now they want the Medicaid expansion to take care of their unhappy and hopeless drug addicts. Capitalism on the way up, socialism on the way down.

Medicaid would have to be expanded up beyond it's current limit scope. Right now, it stops at those who earn $16,000 a year, or more. The addiction epidemic is not just poor, and working-poor people.

a reply to: SteamyJeans

Right.. I don't think A.G. Jeff Sessions has the power to reduce the epidemic, since so much of it is "legal".

Another thing is even without any SoE or any legislation being passed, how many doctors have read this is happening and when they go to work tomorrow and see a patient will be weary or flat out not write prescriptions to patients that truly need it for fear of losing there license. This is a slippery slope leading normal people that are in chronic pain going to the streets and becoming so called criminals and addicts.

Just another grab of your rights under the guise of protecting you from yourself. It reads like a racheting up of the drug war.

I'm curious what empowering the executive branch further actually means. I don't get the feeling it's going to be something good.

ETA: And I want to add, the irony of it being healthier to be an opiate addict than it is to be Chris Christie isn't lost on me.

Being a conspiracy nut, this whole thing could be planned. They start out by encouraging the doctors to hand out opiates like candy, slam that door shut after everyone gets hooked and then start bringing in the modified illegal fix that now kills a person.

The play is flowing like normal. There is only one way to solve this. The government of course. And there goes another chunk of our freedoms. What type of action will we endure to solve this problem? The government certainly will not legalize.


Nevermind, that is just silly

originally posted by: 772STi
a reply to: carewemust
Sorry about the loss of your father, and yes fentanyl was more than likely the medicine he was on, as fentanyl patches are due to be changed every 3 days, but usually last 2, and it's very important not to get the patches hot from the shower hot tub ect as it could lead to OD. Don't know if the heat part jogged your memory.And yes getting it on yourself with no tolerance would have effects on you.

Once again, my condolences

Thanks for the condolences, 772STi. He was 98 and lived a good life till the end. I gave him showers with the patch on, but it didn't seem to make things any worse. Everyone probably reacts differently to these relatively new drugs.

a reply to: 772STi

So you're saying we should let this epidemic run its course, and the stronger people will break the habit on their own? If that's the case, a National Emergency is indeed an overreaction.

a reply to: carewemust

I'm all for Medicaid expansion. I didn't need an epidemic to convince me. From what I read, this epidemic has been happening for several years. Still they voted Trump and Republicans to repeal ACA. I think the epidemic is a special kind of stupid.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: carewemust As someome who is in big pharma I can assure you this is a VERY big problem. Much worse that street drugs I promise. Though the blame does not solely ly with big pharma doctors are also part of the problem. I wish I knew a solution but I do not. Just imagina your kid going to practice and pooling with another parent. Well that person may be seeing a pain management doctor for a car wreck a few years or even weeks back. That doctor may prescribe a certain pain pill. Well because it is a precribed medication the parent may think that all is good amd go about their daily lives. All along whilst being high. I myself will mever allow myself to be any kind of presceibed medication. I have my wine and I am good.

Thank-you for that insight from the pharmaceutical perspective, AllAroundyou. It says a lot when someone in your position is against all prescriptions. Sort of like the red-flag feeling you get when the people who work at a given restaurant won't eat there!

originally posted by: FissionSurplus
This is a red herring and also a way to make people in pain more miserable than they already are. I have a chronic pain condition, and I cannot help it if others party too much with their pills and end up dead. To me, it's Darwin's Law at work. I take mine as prescribed.

Maybe the CIA has a back supply of heroin from Afghanistan and wants to push people into the black market. All I know is, there's too much noise about this all of a sudden, as if it's a 'new' issue. It isn't.

Codex Alimentarius?

Triple the amount of people die yearly by opiates now as they did in 2000.

Congrats on taking yours as prescribed. But many people addicted are because they were prescribed for a long period of time.

But our government occupying Afghanistan who produces 90% of the opiates in the world and our deaths from witch triple isn't Darwins theory...

Its a problem.

originally posted by: RomeByFire
Opiod epidemic is right, it is an epidemic.

One that is largely ignored, mainly because it's "legal," drugs that are killing people in swaths.

I mean, I don't see 100 people eat the dirt daily from cannabis.... yet we still see the doom and gloom propaganda campaign against cannabis.

Makes one think.

Work in a liquor store/bar/restaurant in MD. Live in PA six miles away.
We have a saying for the zombies that come in with no pupils...
They weeble and they wobble but they don't fall down.

All I can say is that this heroin/prescription drug epidemic was at a low until we invaded Afghanistan. Now, it's an epidemic. And Fattie McPrivate beachy wants to have a say...