The Amazon forest is the result of an 8,000-year experiment, and other findings

originally posted by: athousandlives
a reply to: stormcell

Wow, mate, I have to say I never seen these pics, which one you think is rendered and the chinese?
These are great, I always only seen the usual and most famous mexican and south american large complexes like Cichen Itza and Teotihuacan, or Puma Punku and Machu Pichu.

This one is in Dominica
www.tineye.com...

This one seems to be CGI, because I can't find any location details:
www.tineye.com...

But there are plenty more real ones. Even in Scotland, there are hundreds of abandoned ruined churches, castles, cathedrals and homes.

Ruins in Hampi, India go back 1500 years
www.padhaaro.com...
www.padhaaro.com...

Chersonesus in Ukraine
en.wikipedia.org...

I've always thought it was an odd coincidence that the environment that is most capable of preserving archaeological evidence was also considered to be the environment of the oldest civilizations.

Rather than just being the place where evidence of it is easiest to find?

Even if you had a time machine, and had traveled back in time and seen the cities, there is no guarantee that when you get back to the present you won't come up empty on your search for remains. And then be laughed at throughout the academic community for it.

It takes a brave scientist to be willing to run that risk.

a reply to: stormcell

Hundreds of circles, squares, and other geometric shapes once hidden by forest hint at a previously unknown ancient society that flourished in the Amazon, a new study says. Satellite images of the upper Amazon Basin taken since 1999 have revealed more than 200 geometric earthworks spanning a distance greater than 155 miles (250 kilometers).

(Related: "Huge Pre-Stonehenge Complex Found via 'Crop Circles.'") Now researchers estimate that nearly ten times as many such structures—of unknown purpose—may exist undetected under the Amazon's forest cover. At least one of the sites has been dated to around A.D. 1283, although others may date as far back as A.D. 200 to 300, said study co-author Denise Schaan, an anthropologist at the Federal University of Pará in Belém, Brazil.

The discovery adds to evidence that the hinterlands of the Amazon once teemed with complex societies, which were largely wiped out by diseases brought to South America by European colonists in the 15th and 16th centuries, Schaan said.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

This has been gone over before,yes?
Yes it has.
A) The "amazon" basin is not all rainforest and jungle, and it is half the size of the united states.
B) Humans have been utilizing parts of the basin for up to 50k years, of course we have had a hand in changing its makeup.
C)Peoples of the basin were of many diverse cultures and differing ethnicities.
Asigning all of the various human modifications to a singular culture, practice or time is simplistic and without merit.
People are reading way to much into what is being said.

The discovery adds to evidence that the hinterlands of the Amazon once teemed with complex societies, which were largely wiped out by diseases brought to South America by European colonists in the 15th and 16th centuries, Schaan said.

People take, even knowledgable people, this previous statement to mean civilizations and cities and what not,were present all through the amazonian basin.
That is not the case, the amazon is huge and has nearly every environment save arctic and true desert. Parts are vast semi arid savanahs, parts are hardcore tropical jungle, there montane regions and park like woodlands.
People did fill nearly every niche available, pretty early on, and we see that evidence.
In the case of the channels and geometric embankments, mentioned earlier in the thread, there is no mystery there. Its aquaculture, the indiginous people captured and controled the waters of the yearly floods in earthen canals and ponds. Here they harvest fish, crustaceans,plants, molluscs and waterfowl. We know this because the people still live this way, just not in the same densities as in the past.
And the remote sensing data can misleading, there is no temporal resolution to the data. Satellite data that shows this huge density of sites, doesnt show how they relate to each other in time, only that they were there.
So when the lab nerds say there are hundreds of sites hidden in the bush, those locations spread over thousands of years, in time, and across suvcesssive cultures and societies, they were never all occupied at one time, even though population densities were relatively high in the near past.
For the most part the genetics of the peoples of the basin, show that in the majority of the basin, people lived in small groups with limited cross contact for thousands of years.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

Our ( mainstream ) current view of human history is really quite uninspired. I feel the ancients had a much better grasp on human history.

Actually, they didn't. They had little ability to investigate and poor research libraries. The old canard "pyramids were the grain storage of Joseph from the Bible" is one of those things that was taught in ancient times (along with a boatload of other wildly wrong material.

originally posted by: punkinworks10
This has been gone over before,yes?
Yes it has.
A) The "amazon" basin is not all rainforest and jungle, and it is half the size of the united states.
B) Humans have been utilizing parts of the basin for up to 50k years, of course we have had a hand in changing its makeup.
C)Peoples of the basin were of many diverse cultures and differing ethnicities.
Asigning all of the various human modifications to a singular culture, practice or time is simplistic and without merit.
People are reading way to much into what is being said.
...

People take, even knowledgable people, this previous statement to mean civilizations and cities and what not,were present all through the amazonian basin.

Excellent response. I would also add that there's a mixing of times there. "Ancient" is a really poor designation because it scrambles everything before about 1400 into a huge bag (in other words, it presents 100,000 years of human history as happening pretty much all at once... and it didn't.)

The Ancient Mysterious Wonders around the World
of Ancient close to Prehistoric Civilizations


The Amazon and The Pre Colombian World
with it Lost Civilization in it Flora Overgrowth

Tiwananco and Peru /Bolivia being Buried like a landslide as like it was
in a flood or a hurricane




/ Easter Island Stones monuments Sculptures
being buried too their heads



Egyptian and the Middle East ( Persia , Sumerian, Babylonian Iran Iraq Turkey )
as their civilization are Buried In Sand

a reply to: Wolfenz



to Me , its hard to Understand that according to science
Modern Man as in what we are today
have been around over 250,000 years and too some 400,000 years
yet we only began Creating Civilizations and Written history 10,000 years ago ??

that mean 240,000 Years had been Lost , Meaning no Farming ? nor
Creative minds of Architecture?
untill that Last 10,000 years of Mankind's Existence ??

So Man Kind was Just Hunter Gatherers for 240,000 years ??

Something Wrong There ... Ill take 20,000 years away for
a learning processes for creative minds to start working

and still, that makes makes Man kind ( modern Humans ) 220,000 years
of just wondering around the Planet ? with no creativity nor problem solving
no improvements for a better life other then a Simple life , which works
for indigenous Culture among tribes / as it Did in the Arctic Circle as my Ancestors Did

So your Telling me the Game Change did not Start until 10,000 years ago?

or could it been that Man kind had a Mass wipe Out every so often ,

that had to start over and rebuild , it lost Technology
time and time again!! ?

that May of been the case .

How many Ice Ages that Man Kind went Through?
How Many Mass Killings ( earth killers ) that Mankind Went Through ?

some just want to Ignore that facts that there is similarities
of the Old World with the New World , are there ....

a reply to: LABTECH767

Thanks for these, very interesting theories!

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

Our ( mainstream ) current view of human history is really quite uninspired. I feel the ancients had a much better grasp on human history.

Actually, they didn't. They had little ability to investigate and poor research libraries. The old canard "pyramids were the grain storage of Joseph from the Bible" is one of those things that was taught in ancient times (along with a boatload of other wildly wrong material.

Hmm. I thought Ben Carsen was the only one who believed that.

originally posted by: Wolfenz
a reply to: Wolfenz



to Me , its hard to Understand that according to science
Modern Man as in what we are today
have been around over 250,000 years and too some 400,000 years
yet we only began Creating Civilizations and Written history 10,000 years ago ??

that mean 240,000 Years had been Lost , Meaning no Farming ? nor
Creative minds of Architecture?
untill that Last 10,000 years of Mankind's Existence ??

So Man Kind was Just Hunter Gatherers for 240,000 years ??

Something Wrong There ... Ill take 20,000 years away for
a learning processes for creative minds to start working

and still, that makes makes Man kind ( modern Humans ) 220,000 years
of just wondering around the Planet ? with no creativity nor problem solving
no improvements for a better life other then a Simple life , which works
for indigenous Culture among tribes / as it Did in the Arctic Circle as my Ancestors Did

So your Telling me the Game Change did not Start until 10,000 years ago?

or could it been that Man kind had a Mass wipe Out every so often ,

that had to start over and rebuild , it lost Technology
time and time again!! ?

that May of been the case .

How many Ice Ages that Man Kind went Through?
How Many Mass Killings ( earth killers ) that Mankind Went Through ?

some just want to Ignore that facts that there is similarities
of the Old World with the New World , are there ....

It's that kind of thinking that makes me feel less alone. Our numbers could he wrong as well. How many times have we had to start over...that's a good question.

originally posted by: punkinworks10
This has been gone over before,yes?
Yes it has.
A) The "amazon" basin is not all rainforest and jungle, and it is half the size of the united states.
B) Humans have been utilizing parts of the basin for up to 50k years, of course we have had a hand in changing its makeup.
C)Peoples of the basin were of many diverse cultures and differing ethnicities.
Asigning all of the various human modifications to a singular culture, practice or time is simplistic and without merit.
People are reading way to much into what is being said.

The discovery adds to evidence that the hinterlands of the Amazon once teemed with complex societies, which were largely wiped out by diseases brought to South America by European colonists in the 15th and 16th centuries, Schaan said.

People take, even knowledgable people, this previous statement to mean civilizations and cities and what not,were present all through the amazonian basin.
That is not the case, the amazon is huge and has nearly every environment save arctic and true desert. Parts are vast semi arid savanahs, parts are hardcore tropical jungle, there montane regions and park like woodlands.
People did fill nearly every niche available, pretty early on, and we see that evidence.
In the case of the channels and geometric embankments, mentioned earlier in the thread, there is no mystery there. Its aquaculture, the indiginous people captured and controled the waters of the yearly floods in earthen canals and ponds. Here they harvest fish, crustaceans,plants, molluscs and waterfowl. We know this because the people still live this way, just not in the same densities as in the past.
And the remote sensing data can misleading, there is no temporal resolution to the data. Satellite data that shows this huge density of sites, doesnt show how they relate to each other in time, only that they were there.
So when the lab nerds say there are hundreds of sites hidden in the bush, those locations spread over thousands of years, in time, and across suvcesssive cultures and societies, they were never all occupied at one time, even though population densities were relatively high in the near past.
For the most part the genetics of the peoples of the basin, show that in the majority of the basin, people lived in small groups with limited cross contact for thousands of years.

For me, just seeing one ruin with carved stone is a marvel in itself, especially with all those alcoves and carvings. Perhaps it was a grain store, temple or simply a home. But a group of people lived there and had enough technology to carve stone. It seems more of a miracle when a large settlement is completely taken over by jungle. Perhaps their reservoirs overflowed, silted up and allowed nature to take over.

Nothing about new about empires.

They conquered, enslaved and built huge pyramid structures, like every other ancient unconnected civilization all over the world. They did it on the back of slaves or conscripts or indentured servants, working under unsafe conditions for minimum wages. They did it one stone at a time, for rich men who also proclaimed themselves deities and demanded they be worshipped... or else.

a reply to: athousandlives

Good finds. Even more evidence that "myth" is more often than not base din reality.

I read some time ago that the Amazon Forest was being cut down at an astronomical rate, millions of hectares so as to create a biological imbalance that would cause environmental world wide damage to the Eco system of balance.

a reply to: ADSE255

There are times in history where huge sections of forest were clear cut. Pennsylvania is a heavily wooded state and a little over one hundred years ago it was barren of forest. It recovered quite well and the Earth went on.

a reply to: Caughtlurking

According to others it could become a big deal.

wwf.panda.org...

a reply to: athousandlives


Well that area of the world has many stories of strange folks that visited and showed them agriculture ect the civilizing arts. Some of the stories are strange, with strange people.

originally posted by: Caughtlurking
a reply to: ADSE255

There are times in history where huge sections of forest were clear cut. Pennsylvania is a heavily wooded state and a little over one hundred years ago it was barren of forest. It recovered quite well and the Earth went on.

Oh yes. I have seen pictures of the hill sides in VA and East/West Va and Ohio cleared down to a nubbin for miles and its all grown back now. The bad side is they took down many mighty large oaks, not many survived to this day.

a reply to: Logarock

And sometimes, rarely people actually help those forests to come back, if you have not read this short you will like it I believe.
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