If the USA doesn't give 100% 'Basic' Medical Coverage to its People - It is Evil

To use an analogy relating to basic hygiene…Giving human beings in a civilized modern society access to basic health care is akin to brushing ones teeth in the morning.

If that basic action--brushing ones teeth in the morning isn't done it wrecks ones fundamental hygiene and if access to basic HC isn't done FOR EVERYONE then your whole society is bankrupt...

Its not about giving somebody something for nothing or a nanny state its only about ACCESS to affordable health care.

Also such an obligation IS IN THE CONSTITUTION

Its called the General Welfare Clause

The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." This clause, called the General Welfare Clause or the Spending Power Clause, does not grant Congress the power to legislate for the general welfare of the country; that is a power reserved to the states through the Tenth Amendment. Rather, it merely allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare. The principle underlying this distinction—the limitation of federal power—eventually inspired the only important disagreement over the meaning of the clause.

a reply to: AlienView

They also allow poison in our food, our overall environment, they hide nutritional information because of massive lobbying from the meat, dairy and pharmaceutical industries, they actually encourage restaurants like Dominoes and McDonald's to put MORE beef and bacon and cheese and chicken into each calorie packed meal, which in turn can make us very sick (like smoking), and then they want to strip us of the ability to care for ourselves after all that crap has been pumped into us and into the animals we eat.

Even when we get care for the ensuing problems, nutritional information is kept from us and we are kept sick, taking meds forever.

It's like an evil plot. Poison them, then stuff them until their heart collapses or they have diabetes or cancer, and then put them on a multitude of horrifically expensive meds and treatments, and then MAKE THEM PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF GOING BANKRUPT AND DYING. OH AND BLAME THEM FOR IT TOO, PILE ON THE SHAME!!!

Gah!

Ok. Yes I just watched "What the Health?" - a documentary on food and health.

I'm going vegan as soon as possible.

/rant

OP, I agree with you on a ton of levels, but we need to focus on health and not just sick-care, we need to stop being "consumer units" for food industries who DO Not have our best interests at heart and the politicians who let them all get away with it.

/ok rant really done this time

a reply to: Tardacus

So the Government should by nature, also pay for my pursuit of happiness as well?


We as Americans have lost the "drive" that made America a strong and independent nation.

We have a right to life - it cannot be summarily taken from us, but we must make of it what we can
We have a right to liberty - it cannot be summarily taken from us, but we can lose it based on our actions
We have a right to the pursuit of happiness - We can make of ourselves what we wish and are able

The government only owes us the simply protection of our rights, not the financing of them.

We were doomed as a nation when the public coffers were first opened to the citizens at large. Not for public works, but for individuals. Once that happened a beast was created that only grows ever more hungry.

a reply to: peter vlar

I think that's a decent idea.

A free annual checkup per person is managable. That would encourage people to buy insurance or else be stuck with a recorded preexisting condition.

We need to have not only cross state insurance competition, but cross border networks. So a cheap insurance plan with a low limit of like $50K would still have advanced treatment options available through hospitals overseas.

originally posted by: AlienView
a reply to: DBCowboy

I used to deal in used books - And I remember one, and I believe the title was "To the Bitter End"; It was written by a German count, the only one to have escaped capture and execution on one of the assasination attempts on Hitler during WWII.

I have never found another copy of that book - but I remember it well.

I'm too old to give up now - I too will fight to the bitter end

To those in the insurance industry and to the Republican party of today from your founder of yesterday:

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
-Abraham Lincoln [attributed]

You should always fight for what you want.

I sure as hell will.

But we won't always be on the same side, or on the same page.

Life gives us winners and losers.

It's also too short to do anything but to care for your own and to do good when you can, where you can.

*shrugs*

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: AlienView
A country that spends and often wastes trillions iof dollars to police the World and then can not afford to cover the basic Health Care of its own citizens

That should be used to argue to tear down this "policing of the world" (Global Military Empire) paradigm, not to say people should have a right to the property & labor of others.

True evil is in domination subjugation oppression, not in failing to give handouts.

Excellent point. But it can be dealt with in a capatalist culture properly.

For instance in England you can't buy certain harmful foods like Velveeta.

Not to say that's what we need to do. Instead place a luxury tax on harmful foods and subsidize good foods, then it would benefit a Healthcare structure.

It’s clear soon this country will, just like other civilized countries, FINALLY give all access to basic health care—the ethic has been universally accepted in theory.


It’s just that a few powerful people are still trying to be STINGY and GREEDY…


When we arrive at that point it will be a fine day in the US. Granted it won’t be nirvana (everything must be put in perspective) or the final great achievement of our society, but it will be progress—hard fought against the stubborn dogmatic conservative principles that have tried to stop this progress which still they are fighting tooth and nail even today.


It’s just the old fossilized dogma of conservative republican selfishness and the phony “freedom” idea of libertarians that are stopping a full commitment to this basic human and constitutional right.

Funny part is,

You'd think the nation of capitalism, would want to keep it's population healthy, and long living, for the simple and plain fact, you get to harness more tax money from them while saving that money that would otherwise been spent on costly treatments for the " oh shat, their really sick " stuff.

I mean, even the deathstar would have done this. So would the 1984 crowd.

But in reality, our government is much much more stupid, I'm talking retardation.

I mean, Trump being a businessman, doesn't even handle the country like a business, when if he did, we'd all be covered and working, but it's more status quo, that should speak volumes to you all, that the president doesn't control JACK!

Just the elite showing more of their hand, it's to be expected, as the younger gens take over, they aren't immune to the growing trend of people just devolving in both emotional and practical intelligence.

Idiocracy was a prophecy, not a futurmentary.

a reply to: Willtell

If you can figure out a way to give everyone everything without raising my taxes or me losing what I already receive, then knock yourself out.

a reply to: 200Plus

It’s about access and opportunity.

A government is supposed to be an instrument of the peoples will, there to give one assistance in pursuing happiness, that’s all, as much as it can.

It cant give happiness in itself to you as an abstract, it only can give you the opportunity to pursue it

a reply to: AlienView

There seems to be a common misunderstanding that the "government" is some kind of rich entity with a bottomless pit of funds to pay for everything.

The things the government pays for comes from our taxes. So even if the government were to pay for healthcare, we the people are still the ones paying for it. I don't understand why people don't realize that.

So after clearing that up, I think everyone should be responsible for paying for their own health care. I don't think I should be forced to pay for other people's health care.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Willtell

If you can figure out a way to give everyone everything without raising my taxes or me losing what I already receive, then knock yourself out.

The issue is that a government is suppose to be an instrument of the peoples will.


Talk about our tax money.


I don’t like my taxes going to drones killing children in Yemen.


What can I do about it; both parties want to do this. I can only vote for another party that will never get near power to stop that

originally posted by: Willtell

The issue is that a government is suppose to be an instrument of the peoples will.

It still is.

Only "the people" want socialism and free sh#t now.

originally posted by: VengefulGhost
You want medical coverage then get up off your lazy ass get a job and pay for it .
Stop wanting other people to support your useless lazy ass .

By pay for it, do you mean the $198/month with a $6,000 deductible that I, a healthy individual in my mid 30's would pay?

Affordable my ass.

Hey, I have an idea.
Lets tax the mega churches in the US to fund healthcare.

You know, put some sort of amount of money they bring in, and if it is over a certain amount, tax the crap out of them.

www.onlinechristiancolleges.com...

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: AlienView

There seems to be a common misunderstanding that the "government" is some kind of rich entity with a bottomless pit of funds to pay for everything.

The things the government pays for comes from our taxes. So even if the government were to pay for healthcare, we the people are still the ones paying for it. I don't understand why people don't realize that.

So after clearing that up, I think everyone should be responsible for paying for their own health care. I don't think I should be forced to pay for other people's health care.

Do you pay for your own garbage pick up?

Your own police?


Should some people get police and firemen to their home in times of distress and some not?


Do you care, or do you realize your tax money goes to all kinds of crazy stuff you don’t even know of or might have deep reservations over


Like blowing up kids in the ME


Billions of dollars to Israel and Egypt

a reply to: AutonomousMeatPuppet


Latest data suggests that 44 million Americans get annual checkups each year.
www.advisory.com...

That's a relatively low percentage, considering that the checkups have been 100% free since 2012.

a reply to: Groot

They don't pay taxes, they'd have to change some laws for that, but its a good idea if you ask me.

a reply to: Tranceopticalinclined

The government, and every big employer, would prefer that every American retires at 65, and dies at age 66.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Groot

They don't pay taxes, they'd have to change some laws for that, but its a good idea if you ask me.

I know they don't pay taxes, but if they say they are there to help people, lets make them hold true to they're word.

Eh?