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If the USA doesn't give 100% 'Basic' Medical Coverage to its People - It is Evil

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posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 10:43 PM
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FIRST - Notice - I did not say comprehensive medical coverage [ie. the best doctors, reconstructive beautification surgery, etc] - I am talking about basic cradle to grave medical coverage for every American citizen as is the case in almost, if not all, developed industrial nations [ie. England, France, Canada, Australia, etc., etc.].

I do not want to discuss the political side of this issue [ie. does the Constitution of the United Sataes saying 'All men are Created Equal" imply that Healthcare is a right, etc.]. Rather I am saying it is a moral/ethical issue - A country that spends and often wastes trillions of dollars to police the World and then can not afford to cover the basic Health Care of its own citizens


This my friends is a definition of evil - And while the Republicans fight tooth and nail to take apart so called 'Obamacare', a half assed attempt to offer comprehensive coverage to all, by offering nothing but more power tp the major Insurance companies, one of which was prosecuted in 2007 for violation of the RICO STATUTES [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act] and is now possibly the leading health insurance carrier in the United States.

Make no mistake about these companies, they have no interest in people's health - They are religious, and their god is profit' And if it is more profitable to see you dead than pay an insurance claim, so be it - Then your heirs, if you have any, can see if the cheap life insurance policy you bought will actually cover the costs of your funeral.

Again - This is not a political issue - This is an ethical/moral issue - The insurance companies did all they could to block the creation of Medicare under the Liberal President Johnson when the Democrats had control of congress and failed - But they have not given up, they will still do all they can to block government guarateed Healthcare for all in order to protect their bottom line of profit.

Again - Basic healthcare is not a privilege - It is the right of every citizen of any nation that calls itself civilized


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posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 10:44 PM
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Yup, stands to reason actually

From the macro logic standpoint.....meaning Gods storehouse out there in the tax base......has enough money



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: AlienView
A country that spends and often wastes trillions iof dollars to police the World and then can not afford to cover the basic Health Care of its own citizens


That should be used to argue to tear down this "policing of the world" (Global Military Empire) paradigm, not to say people should have a right to the property & labor of others.

True evil is in domination subjugation oppression, not in failing to give handouts.
edit on 29-7-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)


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posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:04 PM
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If basic economics were in play then it should of be a no brainer. If people have access to annual physicals and basic preventative care, they can catch serious illness before it's too late which in the end costs the individual and the tax payers and insane amount of money.

For example, my brother was diagnosed with a glioblastoma at the end of February and he passed away June 11th. When we added up all of the bills for less than 3 1/2 months of treatment, it was just shy of 400,000 USD for a man who had zero chance of recovery from a disease that has a survival rate of about 5% at 3 years after diagnosis. The oncologist insisted on the most expensive and aggressive treatments available and my sister in law went a long with it because everyone talked up this oncologist as "the best in the area".

Well the best in the area couldn't even answer the most simple questions that my brothers primary care physician was able to answer. Had this been caught a year earlier, less aggressive treatment options would have been available, it would have cost far less money and he would have enjoyed a little more quality time instead of being wiped out from the chemo and radiation they convinced my sister in law was absolutely necessary without explaining to her or my brother that this cancer would never be beaten and that his odds of seeing his birthday in July were slim to none.

Basic preventative care would not have saved my brother, but there are a number of people whose lives can be saved or drastically improved if they were to catch serious illnesses at an early stage. But when you're living paycheck to paycheck, you can't justify the copay she even if you have insurance and if you can't justify that, then you certainly can't justify losing a half a day or a full day of work to see the doctor. The entire system is screwed and needs a complete overhaul. A basic single payer system where we can obtain supplemental insurance policies would be far better than what we have going right now where people have to choose between seeing their general practitioners or eating or paying the electric bill that month etc...



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:15 PM
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sorry for your loss


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posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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in America your right to life is probably the only right that is taken away if you can`t afford to pay for it.

you can vote without an I.D. because requiring an I.D. to vote might deprive poor people who can`t afford an I.D. their right to vote, but if you can`t afford healthcare your right to life is revoked.

in America you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as long as you can afford to pay for those rights.

if you have to pay for it how can it be considered a right?
if it`s a right then why do you have to pay for it?
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posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: AlienView
A country that spends and often wastes trillions iof dollars to police the World and then can not afford to cover the basic Health Care of its own citizens


That should be used to argue to tear down this "policing of the world" (Global Military Empire) paradigm, not to say people should have a right to the property & labor of others.

True evil is in domination subjugation oppression, not in failing to give handouts.


I'm not allowed to build a house in the woods and grow my own food because it's against the law. I am not allowed to buy medicine I need without a prescription because it's against the law.

We are born with the understanding that we give up several freedoms in order to call ourselves citizens. Because of this, the system we are forced to participate in is obligated to keep us safe from crime, fire, and give us the basics to navigate this place we never opted into. At some point, it becomes reasonable that healthcare should be among some of those things we promise as a standard.

We have to play by the system's rules therefore that system should take care of our most basic needs.



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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You want medical coverage then get up off your lazy ass get a job and pay for it .
Stop wanting other people to support your useless lazy ass .



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: AlienView
A country that spends and often wastes trillions iof dollars to police the World and then can not afford to cover the basic Health Care of its own citizens


That should be used to argue to tear down this "policing of the world" (Global Military Empire) paradigm, not to say people should have a right to the property & labor of others.

True evil is in domination subjugation oppression, not in failing to give handouts.


In other words, stop fighting wars for the money changers. People wonder why the US can be so in debt, but yet when I say it is because of our military and fighting wars for those who wish to destroy our civilization I get nothing but blank stares?



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: AlienView

Forcing people to pay for someone else's stuff is evil in my opinion. Your opinion just happens to be different and no more valid.



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: VengefulGhost
You want medical coverage then get up off your lazy ass get a job and pay for it .
Stop wanting other people to support your useless lazy ass .



at this point it doesn`t matter if someone wants it or not, it`s a right and it`s illegal not to have it so why do we have to pay to retain a right? why do we have to pay to remain law abiding citizens?

in most countries you merely have to abstain from committing crimes in order to be a law abiding citizen, but in America you have to pay hard earned cash in order to be a law abiding citizens.
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posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: AlienView

1000 stars and lights to you Alienview


Its basic rudimentary sense, moral sense, unfortunately many in America, and I mean many, don’t have moral sense, from the president unto most of the GOP and many of their followers.



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:31 PM
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a reply to: AlienView

Okay, allow me to be blunt.

It's never going to happen. No glorious utopia, no happy endings, no benign caring government, no population of caring people, no peace on earth.

Our government will continue to grow, will destroy anyone who tries to shrink it. All governments will do this.

People will continue to be greedy and selfish.

Good things happen, but they happen in the micro, not the macro.



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus

originally posted by: VengefulGhost
You want medical coverage then get up off your lazy ass get a job and pay for it .
Stop wanting other people to support your useless lazy ass .



at this point it doesn`t matter if someone wants it or not, it`s a right and it`s illegal not to have it so why do we have to pay to retain a right? why do we have to pay to remain law abiding citizens?


Humanity has survived for millenia before modern medicine / healthcare came along . No its not a "right" , by that thinking then farmers should work for free as people have a "right" to eat , carpenters should work for free as people have a "right" to housing etc .

Nevermind , its obvious people today want the nanny state to support them from cradle to grave .



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:37 PM
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Question: Do you have the right to take wealth from your neighbor and use it to pay for a stranger's health care?

Answer: No.

Next question: If you do not have this right then how does a politician (who is just another citizen that has been given the ability to perform functions no different than the unalienable rights of other citizens, only on a larger scale) have the right to take wealth from your neighbor and use it to pay for a stranger's health care?

Answer: They don't.

Health care is not a right. You do not have the right to demand others see to your medical needs. You *do* have the right to maintain your own health.

Government is not a charity.

If you want people to be taken care of, donate your time and money to help them. Don't demand it of everyone else. To take from others for what you consider proper is theft and tyranny.



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:37 PM
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a reply to: AlienView

Please point out in the US Constitution where its required.



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:39 PM
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originally posted by: AlienView
FIRST - Notice - I did not say comprehensive medical coverage [ie. the best doctors, reconstructive beautification surgery, etc] - I am talking about basic cradle to grave medical coverage for every American citizen as is the case in almost, if not all, developed industrial nations [ie. England, France, Canada, Australia, etc., etc.].

I do not want to discuss the political side of this issue [ie. does the Constitution of the United Sataes saying 'All men are Created Equal" imply that Healthcare is a right, etc.]. Rather I am saying it is a moral/ethical issue - A country that spends and often wastes trillions of dollars to police the World and then can not afford to cover the basic Health Care of its own citizens


This my friends is a definition of evil - And while the Republicans fight tooth and nail to take apart so called 'Obamacare', a half assed attempt to offer comprehensive coverage to all, by offering nothing but more power tp the major Insurance companies, one of which was prosecuted in 2007 for violation of the RICO STATUTES [Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act] and is now possibly the leading health insurance carrier in the United States.

Make no mistake about these companies, they have no interest in people's health - They are religious, and their god is profit' And if it is more profitable to see you dead than pay an insurance claim, so be it - Then your heirs, if you have any, can see if the cheap life insurance policy you bought will actually cover the costs of your funeral.

Again - This is not a political issue - This is an ethical/moral issue - The insurance companies did all they could to block the creation of Medicare under the Liberal President Johnson when the Democrats had control of congress and failed - But they have not given up, they will still do all they can to block government guarateed Healthcare for all in order to protect their bottom line of profit.

Again - Basic healthcare is not a privilege - It is the right of every citizen of any nation that calls itself civilized



No basic health care is not a right. Disclosure on medicines and techniques that cure is a right and curing everyone is a human right. It is the human being's sole purpose in life to use their free will to heal one another out of compassion and grace. And that is of us in JesUS, is to help, teach, cure, love and understand their fellow human being. Anything less is evil.



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:42 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: AlienView

Please point out in the US Constitution where its required.


Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

LIFE.

"This view was notably promoted by Abraham Lincoln, who considered the Declaration to be the foundation of his political philosophy and argued that it is a statement of principles through which the United States Constitution should be interpreted."

en.m.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I used to deal in used books - And I remember one, and I believe the title was "To the Bitter End"; It was written by a German count, the only one to have escaped capture and execution on one of the assasination attempts on Hitler during WWII.

I have never found another copy of that book - but I remember it well.

I'm too old to give up now - I too will fight to the bitter end



To those in the insurance industry and to the Republican party of today from your founder of yesterday:

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
-Abraham Lincoln [attributed]



posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: AlienView

Join one of these Cooperatives and you'll find the utopia you seek. Everyone helps each other pay the medical bills of the needy members.

mychristiancare.org...

samaritanministries.org...

There are more. These entities have the government's full approval to operate outside the restrictions of ObamaCare.



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