North Korea fires another missile , this time in the dark

Its amazing how America can criticize N K for trying to upgrade their nuke capacity.

Let’s look at the record.

The ONLY country to ever use a nuclear weapon on human beings is the US.

The US had a war with NK in the 50’s

The US has labeled NK some kind of super evil place many times and threatens them often.

The US has invaded or bombed smaller countries many times in recent decades, just to name a few:

Panama, Granada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, N Vietnam, the Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan ( drones) Bosnia.

If we were to add the countries the US surreptitiously overthrew the legal government or tried to this list would balloon to an encyclopedic level…It would overwhelm the ATS server.

originally posted by: bknapple32
I havent seen anything on a july 29 missile launch

Well if you read my post two above yours, you will see the launch itself and the ABC news reporting on it all. If you have not seen any of it in domestic news, it is probably because they are saturating the airwaves with anti-Trump rhetoric again.

Its amazing how America can criticize N K for trying to upgrade their nuke capacity.

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The US had a war with NK in the 50’s

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The US has labeled NK some kind of super evil place many times and threatens them often.

Not sure if you realize that many countries are criticizing NK for trying to upgrade their nuke capabilities. And for good reason - NK willingly signed an agreement to NOT create nuclear weapons or methods for delivering them.

Not sure if you took history in school.. but NK started the war by invading SK. You sort of conveniently left that bit out.

Not sure what you mean by a country labeling another country "super evil." The U.S. and many other countries have been critical of the family regime in NK that uses crime to gain money which then is spent on nuclear programs they agreed not to do, vs. say.. spending it on their people and infrastructure. Their government which kills off family, and family members if you dare speak bad of dear leader, toss people in prison camps for 30 years, IS evil. Super evil even.

Please find me a single time that the U.S. has "threatened" NK that was not a retaliation for an action NK took first. Take this missile launch for example. NK launches a missile.. threatens the U.S. by saying they can now hit all of mainland U.S... and so the U.S. and SK perform drills in retaliation.. and you consider that a threat? What would you have them do.. passively whimper into a corner and take whatever that meatball of a dictator says or does?

Finally.. I'd wish people would stop with the 2 wrongs make a right angle. The actions the U.S. has taken in other wars, other operations, other countries.. has NOTHING TO DO with NK. Every superpower country has blood on their hands. ALL of them. Not saying it is right.. just saying it is what it is. It doesn't excuse NK from launching missiles into sky and land where no one was warned.. so commercial boats and planes are risk. It doesn't excuse them from breaking the accord THEY signed and agreed to.

I still think it's hilarious some of you think there is some strategic value to NK that the U.S. or any other country is interested in. The U.S. couldn't care less about any NK land or resources. If NK were to put away their nuke toys, and focus instead on helping their own citizens instead of throwing them in prison camps and executing them in schoolyards, I sort of think SK, the U.S., China, and the UN would not have nearly the # of drills.. the sanctions (or none at all).. etc. They are causing their own strife.

originally posted by: Snarl
What gets me: People are taking this continuous provocation in stride. Like nothing's about to go down.

Li'l fatty Kim sunk the Cheonan and shelled Yeonpyeong Do ... does anyone really think this kid is going to stop there?

It will stop with the fall of Un.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Gothmog

True cost and probably to keep as much secrecy about the capability and placements as possible for something they know won't be in teritorial water

I was just reading about re-purposing those old cold war ICBM's to insert satellites into approved orbits.
Downrange reentry of the lower stages in non territorial waters is pretty common.
Oh wait we are looking for fat little F`cks pushing buttons.

originally posted by: Willtell
Its amazing how America can criticize N K for trying to upgrade their nuke capacity.

Let’s look at the record.

The ONLY country to ever use a nuclear weapon on human beings is the US.

The US had a war with NK in the 50’s

The US has labeled NK some kind of super evil place many times and threatens them often.

The US has invaded or bombed smaller countries many times in recent decades, just to name a few:

Panama, Granada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, N Vietnam, the Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan ( drones) Bosnia.

If we were to add the countries the US surreptitiously overthrew the legal government or tried to this list would balloon to an encyclopedic level…It would overwhelm the ATS server.

1. if we hadn't then the fire bombings used previously would have restarted and continued burning entire cities, killing millions more on top of the millions of casualties from an invasion... millions and most japanese cities in ruins vs 250,000 and a few cities... the nukes were the most humane option at the time.. it was not a maybe either, millions more would have 100% died.

2. after they invaded the south and before you blame the US or USSR know that both sides tried to settle it peacefully but they refused to listed to both of us.

3. not evil per se, just a communist clone of nazi germany with concentration camps, public executions, gas chambers, slave labor, etc... which they are.

4. yes that's true but hey, at least our invasions were out in the open unlike what other powers have done in the shadows.

5. well not panama or granada as a whole but drug cartels in panama and granada.
yep iraq twice because we were too hesitant to sacrifice our troops to secure the peace the first time...again.
yep afghanistan because self defense.
libya...lol, europe started that mess without much of our help and in fact canada did most of the air support for europe, syria was started through civil war and we only got involved after chemical weapons were used.
vietnam was pointless i'll admit.
uhh sudan? huh? when?
somalia had nothing to do with us except a few operations long after they collapsed from the civil war and sparse regular operations against gangs more recently...
yemen...saudi arabia started that war not america.
pakistan..self defense.
bosnia was for humanitarian reasons and europe requested help in that war, it wasn't our war despite our major involvement.


we tried to be diplomatic for years despite them violating the npt blatantly and threatening us repeatedly but they keep pushing further every time we back down.

honestly if we would stop hesitating every time there is conflict and be more decisive we would not even be in all these messes..we've been nice way too long and way too often.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Thecakeisalie


Testing a warhead and the warhead carrier are two different challanges.

The little bastard hasn't exploded a nuclear bomb underground for a few months, has he? Jong is just launching his missiles...which is getting old.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

You always take this stand when NK is the topic and i get it. But what have the superpowers done to NK to make them want to nuke the west

We occupy Korea, not the other way round. We embargo, blockade, sanction, spy and buzz their country with bombers for decades.

They aren't 'nuking' the west, the only thing threatened by short range missiles is the US navy.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

You always take this stand when NK is the topic and i get it. But what have the superpowers done to NK to make them want to nuke the west

We occupy Korea, not the other way round. We embargo, blockade, sanction, spy and buzz their country with bombers for decades.

They aren't 'nuking' the west, the only thing threatened by short range missiles is the US navy.

The war hasn't ended.

Remember?

I can't exactly fault them (the government) for giving us the finger & developing their weapons. If the roles were reversed, we'd be doing the exact same damn thing.
Put their shoe on your foot -- if an occupier had spend several generations on US soil butting their noses in our country's stalemated war, implementing sanctions against us, arming & training our opponents, preventing us from making defensive progress in most manners, would not most Americans be pissed, resentful, agitated, defiant and a little bloodthirsty?

We don't need to nuke 'em though. One, it's damn wrong to condemn people like that, you know innocents would die & no, collateral damage is NOT acceptable here. That's just NK government social fuel, handed to them on a silver platter to re-galvanize the suspicious populace with. In 'Murica, we call that "shooting ourselves in the foot".

Two, they know they've been lied to about the outside world. Thank tourism and the thumb drive black market for that. That's destabilizing enough to do the uprising dirty work FOR us, without dropping any weaponry.

originally posted by: intrptr
We occupy Korea, not the other way round.

No we dont. The US is present in S. Korea at the request of the S. Korean government and authorized by the UN.

originally posted by: intrptr
We embargo, blockade, sanction, spy and buzz their country with bombers for decades.

That happens when 2 countires are still at war.

originally posted by: intrptr
They aren't 'nuking' the west, the only thing threatened by short range missiles is the US navy.

Except their newest test can reach the US. Unless Un is lying, in which case you should tell him.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Blah Blah. US installed THAD missiles on Korean soil just test fired one.

Big deal, right?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Except their newest test can reach the US.

No it can't. The Mass media says that to scare everyone.

Just like you just parroted here.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Xcathdra

Except their newest test can reach the US.

No it can't. The Mass media says that to scare everyone.

Just like you just parroted here.

So the MSM is working with Un, coordinating messages? Maybe you should see the results of the last few tests, including distance traveled and trajectory arc.

ETA -
You might also be confusing what the US is. It also includes Alaska, Guam, Hawaii, Wake, Marianas, Midway, etc etc.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Xcathdra

Blah Blah. US installed THAD missiles on Korean soil just test fired one.

Big deal, right?

You've got it all backwards. THAAD isn't a threat to the north. Let's read about it, shall we?

THAAD - Wikipedia

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), formerly Theater High Altitude Area Defense, is an American anti-ballistic missile defense system designed to shoot down short, medium, and intermediate range ballistic missiles in their terminal phase by intercepting with a hit-to-kill approach.[2][3] THAAD was developed after the experience of Iraq's Scud missile attacks during the Gulf War in 1991.[4] The THAAD interceptor carries no warhead, but relies on its kinetic energy of impact to destroy the incoming missile. A kinetic energy hit minimizes the risk of exploding conventional warhead ballistic missiles, and nuclear tipped ballistic missiles will not detonate upon a kinetic energy hit.

THAAD is to protect against the north, not to invade it.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

You always take this stand when NK is the topic and i get it. But what have the superpowers done to NK to make them want to nuke the west

They aren't 'nuking' the west, the only thing threatened by short range missiles is the US navy.

If the tubby tyrant nukes one of our carrier battle-groups, it will be the last thing he does in this life.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Down playing our (defensive) missile launchers in the United States of Korea, but crying about the Koreans defensive posturing against a known offensive threat, the US military.

Yah, nuclear weapons are the only threat to US dominance in the region. Even in the hands of a 'lil' oppressed country like Korea they are dangerous, as it should be.

What gives the uS the right to occupy 70 % of the worlds nations?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

You always take this stand when NK is the topic and i get it. But what have the superpowers done to NK to make them want to nuke the west

They aren't 'nuking' the west, the only thing threatened by short range missiles is the US navy.

If the tubby tyrant nukes one of our carrier battle-groups, it will be the last thing he does in this life.

North Korea has been facing total destruction for decades. Go ahead push him over the brink, see what happens.

We have morons on our team.

a reply to: Xcathdra

So the MSM is working with Un, coordinating messages?

Hypocrite. The UN is a joke. Something you always say unless you need to defend your 'peaceful' warmongering.